It looks like each part is an accessory and you'll spend another $3-$4,000 on grips, something to record on, etc. Then there's lenses, etc.Originally Posted by Eugenia Loli-Queru
For example, the Red is $17,000 and three prime lenses are another $15,000. Then handles, monitor, etc are on top of that on top.
Looked like it was $3000 with a lens, LCD and writes to compact flash with sound. Unlike the Red One which was a modular system.
Panasonic HMC 151E - Canon HV20 - Twoneil 35mm Static Adapter - Nikon f1.4 50mm - Rode Videomic - 2x AudioTechnica ATR35 - Zoom H2 - Steadicam JR - Custom LED Lamp
2/3" is not the size of the sensor, it's the size of the tube used back in the days to create a sensor of the same size. the size of a 2/3" inch sensor is 8.8x6.6mm, smaller than 16mm, and yes it's the common eng size. i'm a bit disappointed. i'd much rather take a full size lower res sensor, even 720p.
/matt
yeah, although the RED ONE originally "came" with a whole bunch of other stuff which they stripped out before first delivery.
Remember when they included "everything" to shoot, including LCD, and a recording media too, I believe?
Like I said, they are hype-masters!
Some pics from this link:
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
Didnt know they made scuba equipment
Panasonic HMC 151E - Canon HV20 - Twoneil 35mm Static Adapter - Nikon f1.4 50mm - Rode Videomic - 2x AudioTechnica ATR35 - Zoom H2 - Steadicam JR - Custom LED Lamp
lol...I was trying to find the words....but......that kind of put it in perspective. It does look like it could be submerged.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
I assume if you extend the rails, then you can fit a shoulder pad onto it.. otherwise, it'd be quite front heavy.
quite an ugly camera imho.. Why can't they just put all the hardware inside a beefed up HVX?
They're trying to be "different" and "new". I guess no one remember that they promised a pocket cam? try fitting that thing in your pocket, lol.
Dylan
I think it's more about taking something out of your pocket, from their perspective.
Judging from that picture, that thing looks heavy. And thus very expensive. $3000 might buy the chassis, but I bet the lens hood will cost $300, the LCD about $500, etc. And plus you'll need a helluva computer to edit with. I bet when it's all said and done it'll be closer $10000 out of your pocket.
HD LCD? Try $1300
Grip + handle? Try $500
I have big pockets..
Sadly I don't also have "deep pockets"
Reminds me of the NAB 2005 preview of the RED, people were lined up for hours to glimpse a mock-up in a plexiglass box, yes they did ship the RED three years later, and in limited quantities... so maybe in 2011 we'll see this one.. in the mean time I'm gonna use the tools I already have to produce revenue generating, award winning and personally satisfying productions and make and save enough money to buy the GREY, or the BLUE or maybe the MAGENTA... Try not to get too wrapped up in the "Hardware Hype", use what you have and make a movie..
Mark Carey
www.markoneHD.com
Totally agree Mark; that's the way I see it also.
There's plenty affordable and good 'tools' out there now to make great movies.
My guess is 80% of what has been shot on RED ONE so far is shown on YouTube or SD broadcast; the next 15% maybe 720p or 1080p.
There's a couple of excellent film transfers.....oh but wait; there's plenty of film transfers that originated from SD cams also, and not many walked out of the cinema saying they didn't approve of the low pixel-count.
This notion that we "need" 3k, 4k or even 5k is ludicrous.
To me this is like buying a 50lbs turkey for Thanksgiving to feed a small family. Sure the thing looks impressive in the store; but once you bring it home, you soon realize you need a bigger oven (=computer); and it takes MUCH longer to cook (=long render times); and most of it gets thrown away anyway, as it was simply too big (=downconverted for final broadcast).
Excess (ek'ses):
Immoderation as a consequence of going beyond sufficient or permitted limits
BTW, in all fairness, wasn't that NAB 2006?
I agree, just saying its cool and maybe since Red actually have a clue now and not just an idea they might get things moving a bit quicker.
Love my HV20 and its not going anywhere for a while anyway.
Panasonic HMC 151E - Canon HV20 - Twoneil 35mm Static Adapter - Nikon f1.4 50mm - Rode Videomic - 2x AudioTechnica ATR35 - Zoom H2 - Steadicam JR - Custom LED Lamp
Mal, I guess you're right... NAB 2006, been to so many I lost count.
Mark Carey
www.markoneHD.com
I basically agree with what you are saying here. But if we learned anything from the HV20 it's this...that downconversion from a higher pixel count can look so much better. I know it's not film...but I love the way film, downconverted, looks when shown on the Web in movie trailers etc. A 5k Epic might be overkill to some...but I'm lovin the fact that the option is still there....though I'd love it better when I could afford it.....and most of it gets thrown away anyway, as it was simply too big (=downconverted for final broadcast).
Excess (ek'ses):
Immoderation as a consequence of going beyond sufficient or permitted limits
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
More resolution would be nice and so would more color space (although I think black and white even on the HV20 looks pretty future proof).
I think 3D is more interesting. I posted a thread the other day about someone mounting two HV30's on a platfrom for stereoscopic work. How much resolution does that scenario give you?? I call that thinking outside the box.
If I had a second HV20 , order some special 3d glasses, of which there are several types, and the computing power to render 60i to 60p, I think that would be just as visually stimulating as 3k.
3D>3K
The price is pretty decent, considering the following.
What we are looking at is a camera (RED scarlet) that can do 3K at $3000.
This is around the price of a Canon xh a1 (which does 1080p).
Though 3K might be overkill, it gives more people an opportunity to create a movie and get the most out of a film transfer or theatrical release.
BTW The accessories do add up to a lot of money.
Last edited by Ian-T; 2008 April 15th at 18:32.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
Yeah, that IS a good point.
Although, I think someone mentioned this in this thread already; a BIG chip with a FANTASTIC lower resolution might be something that would catch on really well, as opposed to these tiny chips with HUGE resolution.
The ideal cam for me would be one with a 35mm sensor, that shoots 4:4:4 SUPER HQ SD both 4:3 and 16:9, 720p and 1080p, and can accept Nikon or Canon glass WITH total control of aperture, focus, etc.
It's been confirmed that the cam will have a built in LCD. for some reason a lot of folks assumed that would have to be an extra accessory...judging by all the photos so far.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showpos...4&postcount=20
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
...subject to change...
I noticed that too. Man I hope this camera comes out. I'd love to buy one....subject to change...
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
