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I predict that without the lens and lcd screen, it's going to be about $4000. Let's hope that it's affordable for us allllllllllllllllllllll!
SCARLET by Red Digital Cinema
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I predict that without the lens and lcd screen, it's going to be about $4000. Let's hope that it's affordable for us allllllllllllllllllllll!
Is there anywhere to get minute-by-minute updates? CamcorderInfo.com takes too long to post there stuff.
Dylan
I'll be looking forward to buying one....in 2010 when they're available, or 2011 when they actually work....if RED ONE is anything to go by!
This camera kicks ass. RED announced two new cameras today, the Scarlet 3k and the 5k EPIC:
http://www.red.com/nab/scarlet
http://www.red.com/nab/epic
Here are the specs for the Scarlet, which is said to ONLY cost $3000:
* NEW 2/3" MYSTERIUM X SENSOR
* 1-120 FPS (180FPS BURST)
* UP TO 100 MB/SEC REDCODE RAW AND RGB RECORDING TO DUAL COMPACT FLASH
* 4.8" LCD
* 8X T2.8 RED ZOOM LENS
* FULL AUTO OR FULL MANUAL SHOOTING MODES
* HDMI and HD-SDI
* FIREWIRE 800 and USB2
* STILL MODE
* COMPATIBLE WITH MANY RED ONE ACCESSORIES
* WI-FI CONTROL
At 2/3s of an inch sensor means HUGE BACKGROUND BLUR!!! No need for freaking 35mm adapters anymore for most people who just want some basic depth of field! I am getting one 100% if the price is indeed $3000. RED is kicking Panasonic's, Canon's and Sony's ass here, very seriously, in the indie filmmaker's world that is (for TV reporting stuff, not so).
Now... that's going to relegate my poor old HV20 to strict holiday-shooting after 2009...
RED can build excitement, no doubt about that. They are good at that.
For anyone owning a HV20 or HV30, I'd not be too worried about this announcement though.
Your cam can produce perfectly stunning moving images, now and in the future.
RED's first product was a couple of years late, and I am sure they'll have equal problems introducing this incarnation, as appealing as it seems right now.
Eugenia; yes, it "appears" that they'll kick a whole bunch of arse with this; but from experience, by the time they actually come out with working units Sony/Pana/JVC and all them will also have new products; and the gap is certainly not that great anymore.
The difference is, RED announces stuff WELL in advance, so at the time it looks VERY cool.
Not saying I won't also buy one, but I've learned to believe only 50% of what I see and only 0.5% of what I read...
For £1,500 I'd buy one right now if I could
Panasonic HMC 151E - Canon HV20 - Twoneil 35mm Static Adapter - Nikon f1.4 50mm - Rode Videomic - 2x AudioTechnica ATR35 - Zoom H2 - Steadicam JR - Custom LED Lamp
I don't see any of these companies going close to this product. Look at Canon's new updated cameras: $10000. Look at the new Sony one yesterday: $10000. And they are NOWHERE near as optimized for 1080p+ filmmaking as the Scarlet is at $3000.by the time they actually come out with working units Sony/Pana/JVC and all them will also have new products
I do expect this model to be ready next year, in small quantities -- just like the RED ONE was. But you know, that's good enough. The company revolutionizes the whole indie filmmaking market, mostly with their low prices rather than their features.
This is a very exciting camera for enthusiasts, at a very low price. I don't expect any other company to match its specs, for a long time from now. Just like they haven't matched the RED ONE yet either. Far from it.
You want interchangeable lenses on your prosumer Canon? That'll cost you another $4000, plus the lenses. I never understood that, especially when Canon could be making lots of money from EOS lens sales rather than over-charging for the mount.
If Batman had a camera, this would be it.
This is going to make HV20 footage look homely. I'm going to try and use willpower to hold off looking at test footage from it as long as possible.
You mean RED?Originally Posted by Eugenia Loli-Queru
See, I never quite understood that; although I do understand the neat "excitement" that sort of rhetoric can instill, but come on; revolution?
Let's be realistic; it's not THAT big of a deal, REALLY. There's other options in the digital cinema area, and I can't see anyone on big productions sweating the cost of rental of cams.
It does make fantastic image quality available to "us" poor people; unfortunately we don't have the necessary dough to make up for all the other stuff to make worthwhile movies, such as lighting/audio/talent, and all that stuff.
Sorry, I don't buy the "revolution" argument for one second; but the sunglasses guy is a clever marketeer, I'll give him that.
I agree, i WILL be buying this camera. BTW, if you look at the bottom of the pic, it says "We are NOT taking reservations for Scarlet, Epic, or REDRAY at this time". What is REDRAY?
Dylan
lol!
Sorry Eugenia, but to me, red is and will always be 90% hype. If it's about kicking Sony/Canon/Panasonic's ass, I can also get a PhantomHD or Kinetta. Some things less than RED, some things more.
NVM, apparently REDRAY is some type of playback deck for ultra-high-def footage.
Dylan
You mean you want to mount an EOS lens designed for a full-frame 35mm sensor on a 1/3 or 2/3" sensor pro-sumer video camera? I'm sure you can fig out for yourself how useful those lenses will be after the crop factor...
One could argue that Canon should start creating their own line of 35mm adapters.. but why would they create something to compete with their high-end gear?
2/3 still PALES in comparison to the 35mm frame size.. still much much larger DOF than using a full frame sensor or a Letus 35mm adapter.
2/3 still gives you the video look in terms of DOF..
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RedRay:
redray.jpg
Holy S***! I'm getting this when I have the cash!!!!!!!!!! If it's under 3 grand of course
RedRay is Red's answer to BluRay
Panasonic HMC 151E - Canon HV20 - Twoneil 35mm Static Adapter - Nikon f1.4 50mm - Rode Videomic - 2x AudioTechnica ATR35 - Zoom H2 - Steadicam JR - Custom LED Lamp
I bet you'll be able to get a used XHA1 dirt cheap when this comes out.
As much as I love my HV20, the Red Scarlet is every independent film maker's dream. For it's possible price range and specs, this camera blows away any other competition in the same price range. I predict the same revolutionary impact the HV20/HV30 had over other consumer cameras that the Red Scarlet will have against other high-end professional cameras.
sensor size comparo:
full frame 35 and DOF adapter still owns...
In other words.. Red should come out with their own line of 35mm adapter that will play nicely with the Scarlett. Should have no flip module to reduce bulk, but add flip functionality to the camera's LCD and recording unit and charge $1500-$2000 for the adapter. <-- That would be the ultimate indie kit.
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It's still a ways off from 1/2.7 though. Wouldn't that mean I will not have to stand back as far as I currently do to get a blurred background?
Anyways...nice announcement...but when are they REALLY going to come out with this?
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
Larger sensor = smaller DOF..
It'll be an improvement but you still can't achieve the dramatic shallow DOF that you see in films.
Just think of it this way, most ENG(news gathering type camera) used for broadcast have 2/3 sensor sizes, so you're already used to the kind of image you'd get from a 2/3 sensor. Will the Scarlett give you dramatically more film-like images such as in the case of using a 35 adapter? Nope. Is it a great camera to use in low light to efficiently use a DOF adatper? Yes siree!
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What about the new Red Epic 5k? Someone's already saying it'll be better than a Cinealta F35 but costing only 1/10... is that all true?
I read somewhere the next RED announcement will be able to transform itself from a full sized HD camera with Panavision Lenses, into a mobile phone, with touchscreen, full MacOSX, and also an optional module to attach an espresso machine that turns into a director's viewfinder. Bundled for under $2000, and ready in a couple of months.
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