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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchbox View Post
    There're several requests on tips on shooting weddings. Here's my take,

    FRAME RATE MODE
    I personally can't stand to shoot in 60i as the "video" look makes my production cheap. I would suggest shoot in PF30 if you have HV30. If you have HV20, shoot in 60i Tv mode with 1/30 shutter speed. It has no interlace comb lines, no loss of image quality. But the resulting video has film look.
    http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=6604
    Why do you use PF30 vice PF24? Is it strictly personal preference, or is it ease of editing, i.e., no pull-down hassle?

    I have my first wedding coming up, and am trying to decide between 24p & 30p. Your thoughts & insights are greatly appreciated.

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    I thought I said it somewhere

    I don't use PF24 because of the pulldown issue. Then, I have to create slomo highlights video from all the footage. 24p is just difficult to make a good slomo video. 60i is too video-ish. 30p is naturally a good choice.

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    Updated with BluRay Popup menu link.

    Encore CS3/CS4 supports BluRay authoring. BluRay doesn't have the Root/Title menu as in DVD but Top/Popup Menu. It's tricky to create a nice Popup menu in CS4. I created a sample you can download from.
    http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=25028

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    It's slightly off-topic, but for a wedding, I'd consider shooting on something larger than an HV30.

    Weddings are generally a case of paying top-dollar for someone to come and shoot it, so I imagine that in most cases you're probably only making yourself look low-budget by using a camera that the average joe will see as 'just a palmcorder'.

    I know a guy who still does great business in weddings by shooting on S-Vhs, simply because the cameras look like 'real' tv cameras! It's not even a digital format, let alone HD, but he is still cleaning up.

    If I was going to do a wedding I'd use my XH-A1, not my HV30, simply so it would appear like the happy couple were getting a pro job.

    Of course, you can add a set of rails and a mattebox to beef up the visual appearance of the HV30, which would definitely help, but I wouldn't advocate shooting a wedding with a 'naked' HV series. Unless you are charging low $$$

    Equipment-wise, you are going to need a decent external mic, plus a radio mic o loooong mic cable to capture the speeches, at least an on-board light for the evening reception interiors, and a second cameraman to capture cut-aways during the day.

    Just my $0.02

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    I didn't say the thread is for professional wedding videographers. If you have an HV cam and need to shoot a wedding for your friends or relative, that would be helpful, wouldn't it?

    I also agree the HV cam is too amatureish looking to be used as professional job. We all know the camera is very capable. Therefore, there're several discussions on how to gear it up to make the camera looks awesome.

    However, shooting with S-VHS camera would be a bad idea. I don't think any clients will be happy with the outcome.

    I did an corporate a year ago. I have XH-A1 as the main cam and was worrying about not setup HV30 as B-roll because there're 2 other TV stations crew there. I eventually did and they came over to ask me about detail of the setup. I was a proud dad

    http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?p=104522#post104522

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    I shoot weddings part-time and use two cams - one set up and unmanned (which I'm currently upgrading to a HV40) and the other is my trusty Panasonic DVC-30.

    I edit in Vegas 8 Pro and create my DVD's in Sony DVD Architect.

    Just one small tip to synchronise cameras: Set up your un-manned camera in it's final position (determined at the rehearsal of course) then set up your main 'manned' camera alongside. About 5 minutes before the ceremony start both cameras recording, walk to the front and fire off a flash (I use a cheap disposable camera for this). This will give you an easy to find sync point (the flash lasts for one frame) when you come to edit. Oh, did I mention that you do not stop either camera after doing this?

    I use 80 minute tapes and pray like mad that the bride arrives (nearly) on time.

    Wayne

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    I never have any problem sync multiple cam clips. It isn't difficult to match the waveform. You also don't need a flash. You can just clap your hands a few times and then match the waveform in post.

    There has been reports saying 80 minutes tape put extra burden to the transport motor that wear it out faster. So in general it's not recommended to use 80 minutes tape. I'm using Panasonic PQ tapes which is 63 minutes in length.

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    I've used the waveforms to synch but find the one frame flash easier.

    When I do use wave forms, I use cans and set one waveform panned to the right and one waveform panned to the left - then loop a part until there is no echo. Does that make sense?

    I hadn't read anything about 80 minute tapes overloading the transport mechanism, so will follow that up!

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    hey Taky. I was wondering what type of DVD boxes do you use to sell your wedding dvd's? any is fine? also what size photo paper do you use to insert them in to the boxes?

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    I just use regular 14mm standard DVD case that you can find everywhere like in Amazon, ebay, supermedia store, meritline, etc.

    I made a template using photoshop to design and print the insert on a regular letter size photo paper. With the Epson inkjet printer borderless printing, I only need to trim the bottom and right side after print out. It will fit nicely as the DVD case insert. You can download the template here

    http://lacolorshop.com/blog/view.asp?id=37

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    Hey Taky, just got the Olympus WS-300m. What setting or what must i change to get the best quality or ideal groom recording (with an electret condenser microphone that clips on)

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    Condenser mics tend to pick up a lot of noise. I'd go with a dynamic mic.
    The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.

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    from my understanding, i can change the settings on it so that it minimizes the noise it picks up and i believe taky may have some knowledge on the subject.

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    Have you procured the mic yet?
    I was just saying that dynamic lavs are a lot quieter.
    The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.

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    You should just play with different settings to see which one works best for you. The only setting I recommend is to record in mono than in stereo.

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    I always use multiple sources of audio. At least 3, just to be safe because when clients pay a lot, there can be no mistakes. One or two lavs, plus xlr out of the sound board, plus shotguns placed discretely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    Condenser mics tend to pick up a lot of noise. I'd go with a dynamic mic.
    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    I was just saying that dynamic lavs are a lot quieter.
    ...and as the mic is close enough, it would mainly pick up the voice only, so it's a win-win situation.
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