XLH1 and HV20 footage
I have been looking at some footage from the $7-$8K Camcorder XLH1:
http://dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=126
Now correct me if I am worng (or just plain blind) but are we not posting footage here with the HV20 that is just as good as those from the XLH1?
If anyone wants to check the differences, please let me know what you think.
hv20 films great but you can't compare it. only the fact that XLH1 is a 3CCD hd camera and not a CMOS one is a very big difference.
I know you cant technically compare it, but look at some of the footage. Im telling you, some of the HV20 footage is just as good.
I agree, a lot of the footage is indistinguishable under the right conditions.
- Dial
The difference is in those not so good lighting situations, needing manual settings, adding accessories...
Perry
sure. plus it depends on usage and what you ask for as far as post production etc. XLH1 is not a film your kids camera.
the hv20 does indeed produce great footage for a cmos camcorder. and the price is just great.
True. I have found that I need to avoid hard light and too dark of situations. Although my GL2 was the same way so I just assumed it was a digital video problem.
it is, pretty much
i too think that the hv20 can produce image quality that compares with all the pro cameras.
it's always been my experience that it's not the camera, but the person behind the camera. if you're good, it doesn't matter what kind of camera you use. i seen some pretty bad footage from pro cameras anyways. so i don't think it's much of a difference esp if you have good lighting. good understanding of light and how to use it will make any camera produce great footage.
if you're a painter and you buy the most expensive paints, that doesn't make you a good painter. it's how you use the paint.
the hv20 is a great camera and i love mine. i think by adding a good lens adapter to your hv20, it can compare to all the pro cameras out there.
i also feel like its too early. wait awhile and you'll start seeing a GRIP of hv20 videos out there.
Originally Posted by some1shero
Yeah i agree. It doesn't matter if you use a £300 or a £3000 camera, if it's in the right hands you can produce amazing footage, the more expensive cameras your really only paying for the features it has. I have mainly used cheaper cameras in the past and a lot of people have said that i must me using a very expensive camera and i never say anything and just let the footage speak for itself. Although i have only had my hv20 a day, i agree that it does produce amazing footage from what i have seen.
Last edited by Thimble_Guy; 2007 June 23rd at 09:44.
I agree, tkmslee. In some respects, I think the HV20 actually produces superior images: most of the 3-CCD HD camcorders show some false-color "ringing" or "fringing" around bright highlights -- this seems to be endemic to cameras with a prism block. The single sensor HV20 doesn't have those issues.
Plus it's a true 1080-line 24-progressive-frame chip: the Panasonic HVX200 uses three 960-line CCDs. Their VariCam "digital motion picture production cameras" use only 720-line imagers.
Yes, the HV20 is ergonomically challenged, looks like a toy, lacks a LAN-C port and has to be kludged into "almost manual" mode. Sure, a bigger camera will be easier to shoot with, especially when you're not content with "auto everything." But I bet we'll see some ambitious projects shot with this little camera: there's more and more footage posted here and elsewhere that proves in the right hands, a thousand-dollar HV20 can make images which rival or surpass cameras you couldn't RENT for a DAY for that price.
Here's food for thought...some of your professional high dollar SLR cameras are....Canon single chip CMOS. So it does not suprise me that the HV20 has a superior picture. We have to remember that CMOS and CCD are two totally different beast in how they gather light. It's just that 3CCD has been industry standard with video and CMOS for still pictures...but like I said before...times are a changing.
ian-t
you're right. the chip sensors are different...and with the popularity of the hv20 it leads me to believe there will be more and more CMOS cameras with more manual controls coming soon.
i also think they are going to make more and more products with 43mm threads. i tell you, it's impossible to find anything with a 43mm thread. shheees.
i was at a samy's camera just looking around and the sales guy was telling me the hv20 flies off the shelves. they hooked up the A1 on one HDTV and the hv20 on another HDTV, side by side,....it's so hard to tell the difference.
You can always get a mattebox for a 43mm camera around $199.
http://www.indiesnap.com/compact/index.html
or a lens hood...
http://www.goshotcamera.com/product/LHP003DV43TSF
Last edited by casablanca; 2007 June 28th at 01:36.
So what would the matttebox be used for anyway...besides looks?
Not for looks....to help prevent glare,,,especially in brightly lit situations.
To be completely honest, after working on shoots with big honking cameras like the cine-alta...I'm totally floored by the hv20. At first I thought it wasn't so great (the footage canon has posted isn't as good as some of the user stuff I've seen out there). But if you take a look at some of the footage over at brevis or that people have taken with a letus 35. It's incredible! I'm wondering what all this footage would look like on a big screen. I just saw A MIGHTY HEART which was shot with the sony f750 (winterbottom loves this camera) and nobody in the audience knew that it wasn't film.
If you take this camera and spend another 2-3k on lenses and adapters and know what you're doing there's a very good chance this thing will compete not only with the xl1h but with cameras costing over 100k!!!! Not too shabby.
Love the hv20 but its a stretch, again, comparing it to a 3 ccd
http://www.salatar.com/hv20%20hdsdi.tif (has no resolution on skin)
http://www.salatar.com/g1%20hdsdi.tif
???? Well...like I said about these pics before I like the HV20's pic better. They both represent to me the same type of resolution. I see every blemish on your face in the HV20's picture just as the G1's. It's just that the 20's picture came out a little bolder in it's colors...
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