The "Make Movie Wizard" in VMS, Platinum Version required, provides for a "Save it to you HDV camera." My camera is hooked up via firewire and turned on to the playback position, not the record, position. The latter setting caused some confusion because it wasn't intuitive; I thought it should be set to record to record but that wasn't the case.
Loss, if any, is unnoticeable. Very happy with the results. My tv is a 46" Sharp Aquos 1080P. The picture is amazing.
The "Make Movie Wizard" in VMS, Platinum Version required, provides for a "Save it to you HDV camera." My camera is hooked up via firewire and turned on to the playback position, not the record, position. The latter setting caused some confusion because it wasn't intuitive; I thought it should be set to record to record but that wasn't the case.
Loss, if any, is unnoticeable. Very happy with the results. My tv is a 46" Sharp Aquos 1080P. The picture is amazing.
Really? I'd say they are quite different. An authored DVD is very different from a data CD. He said he wanted to get his video to a DVD.Originally Posted by melvonnar
No offense taken. I'm just trying to help a guy who says he's having a hard time.sorry if I offended you.
Good luck.
Dennis
Taky....is there any chance we could do a sticky on this topic. Ive searched around and cant find a specific thread on this issue.
Given all the experienced users on this site, someone must have a benchmarked way of doing this conversion.
$1,200 and Crappy DVDs
This is as much a lament as it is anything, but can anyone point me to a fool-proof DVD creation tutorial? I'm losing family credibility here by the minute when I show off the DVDs that I've mad thus far. Like everyone else here, I've got (to me) some serious jack invested in my HV20, accessories & editing software (Vegas pro). My footage looks great on the timeline, but i can't get past the "elementary" step of rendering a decent quality dvd.
IMHO, try rendering and printing your HD movies back to the HV20. Play back through your HDTV via video component input ot HDMI. Video quality loss is negligible.
In order to produce HD DVDs you'll need special media and a HD DVD/Bluray burner. Go with the tape option for now and investage adding hardware when your personal satisfaction warrants it..
If you want to make SD DVDs, check here. It uses an older version of Vegas but it should probably get you some pretty good results. Let me know if it helps.
Good luck.
Dennis
[Update: Fixed link above. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused.]
Last edited by Dennis Vogel; 2008 November 12th at 23:26.
Thanks. Rendering to separate video and audio files instantly improved my results in Vegas 8 Pro. I finally was able to produce some DVDs of acceptable quality when viewed on my old ~27" TV.
- In the Render As menu, I first rendered the audio using the Save As Tpe of AC3 Pro Audio.
- I then rendered as MPEG-2 using the DVD Architect 24p NTSC Wideschreen video stream (Note that I did NOT check the Include Audio box)
- Opened DVD Architect and added the VIDEO file to a new disk menu
- DVD Architect automatically recognized the audio file (it had the same file name) and brought it into my new DVD project
I think the key factor here may have been that DVD-A did not have to do any recompression on the footage wile preparing the DVD.
Source footage was all shot in 24p mode. I tested this process on both the interlaced(?) m2t files straight out of HDVSplit as well as the progressive avi files that are generated during the pulldown removal process described by eugenia. I can not tell a difference in the final output.
I also tried exporting in both vanilla NTSC format as well as NTSC 24p. I have a 12 year old TV, so I assume my DVD player was automatically doing the interlacing on the fly for the progressive file. I could not tell a difference between the two on the TV unless I hit pause. Still frames were much sharper on the progressive files. I figure I'll stick with the progressive output.
I then dorked around with the widescreen NTSC 24p format v/s 4:3. I also could not tell a difference between those options on my 4:3 tv. I assume the difference is that in the 4:3 version the black bars are part of the actual video file, whereas in the 16:9 format the letterboxing bars are being added dynamically by my DVD player. I think I'm going to stick with the widescreen output.
I rendered all the video using Best quality.
Quality is still not as good as a hollywood DVD but its good enough to keep me from looking like a total jack a$$ in front of my family. I'm also going to render out my edited videos to HDV tape, so I'll just have to take solace in the fact that I still have full HD quality in my back pocket.
once im done editing in vegas 8 pro.. i keep a HD for me that i usually make a mp4.. or when was using pinnale made hd dvd.. now in vegas i have 2 questions
1. once edits are done how do i get my stuff into dvd architec 4.5 to make a sd copy for parents family
2. are markers in vegas the same idea as chapters in pinnacle? kinda confused on the marker and region thing
Probably the best place to start is Edward Troxel's excellent Vegas newsletters. This issue is one that discusses authoring a DVD. There may be others; search the index.
Markers are points in time on the Vegas timeline. You can export them when you render video and DVDA will pick them up so you can use them as chapter points.2. are markers in vegas the same idea as chapters in pinnacle? kinda confused on the marker and region thing
Regions are, well, regions on the Vegas timeline. I don't believe they have anything to do with DVDA or DVDs.
Check the online Help file for more details about how markers and regions work.
Good luck.
Dennis
thanks for the link Denis.. I guess my question is can i use my 1080p or 720p mp4 i have to import into dvda or should i be rendering out of vegas as a 720x480 mpg/avi. i guess the resolution size is the real question will dvda take the bigger res and work with it or am i better to output to the 720x480
i do still wanna have a Hd copy for myself the dvd copies are mroe for family so if rendring twice isnt needed i wont
Sorry, I haven't worked with MP4 so I can't say if DVDA can import it.
I'm a little confused. Whatever you do before you make a DVD with DVDA you will need to render your video to MPEG-2. You can do that either in Vegas or have DVDA do it for you. But if you're starting with HV20 native HDV and somehow you're getting MP4, you are already causing two renders. Why not just keep the HDV out of the cam for yourself and render just for the DVD? I guess I don't understand why you are making MP4 video in your workflow.i do still wanna have a Hd copy for myself the dvd copies are mroe for family so if rendring twice isnt needed i wont
Good luck.
Dennis
making 1080p mp4 after all edits so i can play them back on xbox 360/ps3.. i was making hd dvd with pinnacle but now that format is dead i started mp4 with vegas
its based on the h264 codec
im using eugenia guide
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...box360appletv/
Update: i just tried and dvda does bring in the mp4 file.. but am i better off to bring it in as 1920x1080 to dvda or re render from the hdv with edits to 720x480 before going to dvda
ultimately id just like to make bluray if i could get menus to work on dual layer dvd
Last edited by chaos2k; 2008 March 21st at 23:26. Reason: update
OK. Then I would suggest you edit and render from the timeline to MP4 for your xbox/ps3 then re-render to MPEG-2 for your SD DVD. You'll avoid the double render by working from the project timeline instead of going source (HDV) -> MP4 -> SD MPEG-2.
As I said, I think it is better to work from the source and render as few times as possible. Or you can go source (HDV) -> HDV which Vegas will do as a smart render only re-rendering the things you've changed then go to SD MPEG-2 either in Vegas or in DVDA. You won't lose as much quality as going source (HDV) -> MP4 -> SD MPEGs.Update: i just tried and dvda does bring in the mp4 file.. but am i better off to bring it in as 1920x1080 to dvda or re render from the hdv with edits to 720x480 before going to dvda
Good luck.
Dennis
I just burned an HD DVD using Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6 Plus using a standard DVD-R.
I wanted an inexpensive method of viewing HD projects on my Sharp 1080P LCD TV. Toshiba has been liquidating the HD-A30 and other players. I picked a new one real cheap online last week. I have Vegas Video 8 pro and DVD Architect 4.5. However, DVD Architect only supports Blu-ray for HD authoring. I used Vegas Video to capture the video clips from my HV20. I edited, titled, and added effects with Vegas Video. I then rendered the project as a WMV HD (1440x1080i) with Vegas Video (I am now experimenting with AVI HD format output as I'm writing this). I then used ULead DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus to author the HD DVD. I set the video project to "HD DVD" and added the WMV video file created by Vegas Video to the ULead MovieFactory project. I set the output to 1920x1080 for the output (the default is 1440x1080) and selected the "best" rendering quality. I skipped the DVD menus (I will try them on the next attemp) and burned the project onto a standard DVD-R. I popped the DVD created into the Toshiba HD-A30 connected to my Sharp 1080P LCD HDTV. The HD-A30 recognized it as an HD DVD and played back on my TV. The picture quality is outstanding. It is much better than broadcast HD from digital cable or Directv (I have both). It is certainly better than watching your HD footage on your PC. You are limited to about 20 minutes of footage on a single layer DVD-R. The costs of DVD-R are low and so is the cost of and HD DVD player (25% of the cost of the lowest price Blu-ray player).
Really Good HD to SD Process
Hey I tried to find a good way of getting HD video off of my HV20, into Sony Vegas 8 pro, then out to SD DVD.
** This way only works on Vista Home Premimum and Up.
- I got HD video off my camera
- then went to export my footage using mainconcept mpeg 2. Under mainconcept, I used NTSC DVD. Changed the video quality from Good to Best. <- Dont know if it makes a difference.
- took the output file and used Microsoft Vista's DVD Maker program and made the DVD
- I couldn't tell the difference from my computer screen to my non HD TV.
Anyway, this way works the best for me.
I use TMPGenc to encode my raw edited mt2 files to mpeg-2, then I use Sony DVD architect to make the dvd with the menus and everything
I think TMPGenc give a very high quality result when transcoding the HV20 derived m2t file to a mpeg2 file that can be used to generate a DVD (for example with Nero or some other burning programs).
I did try Vegas (trial version) to transcode to DVD compliant mpeg2: It looked BAD!!!.. (well, that's not objective, but it definitely looked MUCH worse than when transcoded with TEMPGenc; that statement is sort of objective, I think). I don't really know, but maybe the bad quality is due to the trial version having a worse encoder than the full version? I would really like to know if that's the case. Anybody???
I also tried Nero 8 to recode the HV20 m2t file to dvd compliant mpeg2. Again, MUCH worse than TMPGenc.
I did not try Ulead (I do think their mpeg encoder gave decent results when transcoding DV files to mpeg2, but again, I don't know how it compares to Tempenc when the starting material is m2t from HV20.)
I did not buy the TEMPGenc 4 express software yet! (I used the trial version for the tests). The main reason is, that it really annoys me that you can only use it on one computer, and its $100, and I mean, come on, $ 100 and you are not even allowed to use it on your second (e.g. laptop), or third computer??? We are NOT living in a one-computer-per-family-age anymore, right?
Hint, hint at Pegasys: PLEASE change your licensing model. Your software is great, so if you want to sell it, you NEED to change that!
Sorry for the long post.
Essentially: to make a high quality DVD, using TEMPGenc (4 express) is a good software to use. That is my experience.
Incorrect, Part of the HD DVD spec is that you can write and play back HD-DVD format on a normal DVD at reduced run time.
IMO this is the one big advantage of HD DVD over Bluray, and one that has been largely overlooked . Shame HD DVD as a format is finished.
I have 3 HD DVD players so I am pretty covered and this is exactly what I plan to do.
You can do the same with Bluray, provided you can author the DVD image in Bluray format or at the least create/edit your M2T files. You then use Imgburn to burn the Bluray image onto a normal DVD. Of course, you do need a Bluray player, but at least you don't need a Bluray burner.this is the one big advantage of HD DVD over Bluray
There's a sticky by Racer X and Eugenia detailing the steps involved.
The other issue with Bluray DVD format. Is that for some reason the Bluray spec for burnt user created disks like ours will not allow you to create a proper Bluray menu as the studios do using Java.
Only a very basic menu structure is possible.
The HD DVD spec for menu creation is open allowing you to use the full implentation of HDi for any personal creations you choose to make.
I am not fully up with this but I have links to this info if anyone is interested.
OK, enjoyed this thread. I'm trying to burn a DVD edited with Vegas St Plat, then trying to burn with DVD Architect. I get all the way to the screen where says "Select Burn Parameters", except below where it says "Disc Status", it says "No Disc". The "Next" tab is not highlighted. Just testing this out for first time, and I'm trying to burn 15sec 720x480 clip. Am I missing something here?
I'm at a stand-still with Vegas Platinum. I'm still stuck on the Architect window where I'm ready to burn a DVD, but don't seem to see the "next" button highlighted. What's up with this, is there a glitch here, or did I forget to do something before this step???
Out of curiosity, I looked at Edwards site. That's a great site. Is there similar site for Premiere?
Thanks,
Dan.
Ha! Just figured out my problem on burning a DVD with Sony Architect, I have NO DVD burn capability with the new Dell laptop! Yup, it's only a CD burner with DVD play capable. Duh! Thanks Dan for the link on authoring with Sony Architect.
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