Author 1440x1080i on DVD for BluRay Guide

[racer-x]

Hello everyone. I'm new to this forum, but I've been using my HV20 for over a year now. Anyway I wrote this very basic guide to burning your HDV source to a standard DVD+R that should play in a Blu-Ray player. This is a very basic guide and assumes you are very knowledgeable or are willing to learn. The quality will be perfect because the footage will not be re-encoded. You'll still have the full 25 mbps 1440 x 1080i footage. The only limitations will be 20 min on a single layer and 40 min on a dual-layer DVD-5 disk. The authoring is very basic and will have no menu. It will just play the movie when the disk is inserted........

Here's the Guide.

*** UPDATE *** The newest version of TsMuxer will let you create the Blu-Ray file structure, so you can skip step 4 in my guide.
Screen Shot:

[nolonemo]

Great way to start out here! A great guide, thanks....

[Chicken Warrior]

Holy crap...I had no idea that was possible! Genius, if it works. I don't understand how, actually...I thought Blu-Ray was a completely seperate technology.

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

Racer-X thanks for the tutorial. I have adapted your tutorial to fit the "HD-DVD in plain DVDs" tutorial, so this way 80% of the job is the same for both architectures, and so there's very little work from that point on to create BOTH a BD and an HD-DVD.

Additionally, in my version I am using all-freeware utilities (no need for Nero), the ability to control the bitrate so you can fit more footage in the disc, and finally, it's more video-editor friendly as most people around here actually edit their footage instead of using random .m2t files. Hopefully this version will help some people too.

http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/0...dvds-for-free/

The disc I burned while testing my modified method worked on my PS3 really nicely btw.

[racer-x]

Eugenia,
I too always edit my HDV footage. Usually in Vegas and render it back to HDV 1440 x 1080i with custom encoder settings. The quality is very good..........

I read your tutorial. Very nice. I also like very much HCenc, it does a great job.
There is one thing you might want to consider......that's to use a Frameserver to feed the video directly from Vegas Timeline to Avisynth then on to encoder. There's no need to render to Huffyuv..........

My favorite free Frameserver

My Frameserve Video Tutorial

**Just a thought...........

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

Thanks racer-x, please leave a comment on my blog about it!

[alwyn]

racer,

I'm confused. On the other Bluray thread the Bluray info on the DVDHelp link says that 1440x1080 MPEG2 is not supported by Bluray BD-ROM, only 1440x1080 AVC/H264, but your method sounds like it doesn't re-encode/re-render your 1440x1080 HV20 footage to MPEG 2 1920x1080. How can this then work on a Bluray player?

I'm trying to work out a method of not re-encoding my footage (only because of the time involved).

[racer-x]

That's because the method I wrote about produces an AVCHD file structure on the DVD+R, even though it uses the original Mpeg-2 streams. For all intents and purposes, the dumb Blu-Ray player assumes it is AVCHD and because it has the ability to play Mpeg-2, it does so..........

By the way........the newest version of TsMuxer will let you create the Blu-Ray file structure, so you can skip step 4 in my guide.

[alwyn]

Rojer that! Thanks for the clarification.

[Lunchbox]

I just made the thread sticky.

[exte]

How does one make MPEG 2 1920x1080 files? I'm very much a newbie to the hi-def player world... Could someone post what to do in TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress? Thanks.

[alwyn]

Racer,

the newest version of TsMuxer will let you create the Blu-Ray file structure, so you can skip step 4 in my guide.

Confirm in step 3 we tick "create Bluray disk" to obviate the need for step 4?

[chaotictax]

I've been hearing that if I burnt my HD movies onto my standard-def DVD's and insert the DVD's into a blu-ray player, they will play in HD.

Don't you need a high definition formatted disc, like a blu-ray disc, to watch your movies in HD?

Wouldn't burning your HD movie onto a standard DVD downscale the quality to standard def?

The other threads I've read don't really help.

[DimmyDams]

As I understand it...

Burning on to SD DVD - your HD has to be downscaled to SD.

When viewing this (whether on a SD or HD player) it will be 'upscaled' automatically by the HD TV you watch it on.

Obviously this will not preserve the original HD quality.

I believe all HD TVs 'upscale' SD content automatically.

[racer-x]

exte wrote:

How does one make MPEG 2 1920x1080 files? I'm very much a newbie to the hi-def player world... Could someone post what to do in TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress? Thanks.

I only have TMPGEnc v2.5.........I could show you on that, but it would probably be completely different.

@ alwyn,
Yes, you need to tick "Create Blu-Ray Disk" and select location to write the folders to. Here's a screen shot of what to do:

[alwyn]

Thanks Racer!

[alwyn]

I believe Ulead Video Studio, Pinnacle Studio will do this. I use Movie Edit Pro and it will also create a Bluray or HD DVD format project on a standard DVD with menus. I have had mixed success with playing them in Bluray players at the shops though (BD players too expensive for me at the mo) so am still experimenting.

[photobug59]

I just did it today.

I captured, edited, and rendered the video to WMV HD format with Vegas Video 8 Pro.
I used Ulead DVD Factory 6 Plus to author an HD DVD using a standared DVD-R. I played back the video on a Toshiba HD-A30 which a just picked up recently at a bargain price. The HD-A30 recognized the DVD-R as an HD DVD and the picture output quality is outstanding. That was my first attempt. I am repeating the experiment with AVI HD format output from Vegas Video 8 Pro. It takes hours to render a 20 minute video. I'll post all my settings when I complete my second experiment.

[phanatik]

How bout us FCP editors editing HD on FCP and want the best quality on regular/SD DVD?

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

FCP's DVD Studio app has this trick for HD-DVD built-in I think, but I don't think it does it for blu-ray, but I might be wrong.

[exte]

But the question of how to do this with TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress still lingers...

[Rumpelgeist]

I've been hearing that if I burnt my HD movies onto my standard-def DVD's and insert the DVD's into a blu-ray player, they will play in HD.

DVDs are not standard def or high def, they are simply media, ~4.5GB for a single-layer disk. DVD-video on another hand is a combination of DVD media and MPEG-2 standard def video.

Don't you need a high definition formatted disc, like a blu-ray disc, to watch your movies in HD?

Media is just media. Some players do not accept hi-def video on regular disks, but other do.

Wouldn't burning your HD movie onto a standard DVD downscale the quality to standard def?

Video is a binary file. When you backup you binary files, documents and programs onto DVDs, do you expect them to be mutilated in some way?

I made several disks using Racer-X's workflow, from AVCHD and from MPEG-2, worked for me on my Samsung Blu-ray player and on couple of other players I tested in a store.

[racer-x]

Aramis wrote:

I made several disks using Racer-X's workflow, from AVCHD and from MPEG-2, worked for me on my Samsung Blu-ray player and on couple of other players I tested in a store.

It's always great to hear about successes in this new and developing format. We all know how difficult these things can get..............glad it worked out for you.

[alwyn]

Just made a Bluray movie using Racer's method (I demuxed with DGIndex and made AC-3 with Super). The shop played it on a Panasonic BD30 to the biggest LCD TV I've ever seen and it looked great!

[nolonemo]

Media is just media. Some players do not accept hi-def video on regular disks, but other do.

This is not strictly true, if you are referring to physical media. Because of the higher bitrates associated with HD, you should burn to premium media. Many people report problems with stuttering etc when playing HD burned to budget media.

This was the case for me, burning a HD-DVD disc on DVDR, I experienced stuttering using Ridata budget discs, but my Taiyo Yuden burns played without problems. This was on a Toshiba HD-A3 player.