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    Read this about the Vantec's model.

    http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=11810

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchbox View Post
    Read this about the Vantec's model.

    http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=11810
    Yikes.

    I'm glad I waited before purchasing. I think I will stick to the Thermaltake version, and try to go easy on it...

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    CAn someone update this thread to reflect the best package for a removable HD system for a MAC or does one not exist?

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    The same system should work in both Mac and PC

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    I finally got around to swapping out my 4 drive Venus T4U USB2.0/IDE enclosure for a SATA backplane. I went with the Athena 3 bay model.



    Also pickedup one of the Kingwin single drive model to put in the HTPC so I can quickly view full HD video's on the big screen right after editing, haven't installed that yet though. I got so sick of how slow the USB connection was and couldn't take it anymore, even for backups. You guys know how big these movie files are, and SATA drives are cheap enough (120 for 750 gigs, I can handle that!)
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    Thanks for the input. A quick search of the Athena Backplane yielded less than stellar feedback. So which drives did you install? Any usability feedback you wish to share?

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    Whats a good firewire solution for an imac since I can't use E-sata?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephyrnoid View Post
    Thanks for the input. A quick search of the Athena Backplane yielded less than stellar feedback. So which drives did you install? Any usability feedback you wish to share?
    I have several, a few segate 320's, couple WD500's and 1 WD 750. My only issue w/ it is you really have to screw the HD into the cage or else you can't get the drive out. So I just keep a little screwdriver on the desk and put 2 screws in each drive. I'm not sure what people have to complain about. Drive goes in, drive shows up a few seconds later, not rocket science. I guess if they have some cheap case they might complain about the noise of the fan, but I have a big thermaltake case with a front door. I don't hear the fan until I pull out a drive. It has separate power buttons for each drive and activity lights. No key lock, but like I said, I have a door that I can lock if I really cared. I was impressed that it came with those sata cables with the clips on them, even though I bought some at the same time from newegg. The Kingwin didn't come with those clipped cables. I'm more impressed with the construction and use of the Athena than I am of the Kingwin.
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    you need to have RAID. I can not explain how important it is to have real time backup.
    http://www.amazon.com/RAIDSTREAM-TWI...8149537&sr=8-1
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    http://www.g-raid.com/Products/G-RAID2.cfm
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    http://www.caldigit.com/FireWireVR.asp

    But I like RAIDstream twin since it is trayless, diy and I don't have to spend extra on the enclosure later on.

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    RAID is for performance and/or data redundacy in case of harddrive failure. It does not serve the purpose of backup.

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    Tks for pointing it out.
    I was trying to say RAID 1 protection.

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    Icy Dock, make sure you feckers ship internationally. As a non-U.S. user of such tech it sucks paying through the nose for shipping, or worse still, encountering vendor after vendor who won't/can't ship outside the States because of vague 'security reasons'.

    My association with Al Qaeda is minimal at best; do we not have the right to store our hours of training videos and pirated Bollywood movies in safety?

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    If you are building with an eye to the future, and your PC supports it, eSATA will give your throughput that's over twice as fast as USB 2.

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    http://www.cooldrives.com/fodrsaiiandu.html

    Do these things work with dvd burners and such? I'm looking at expanding and would like a remote possibility for burning DVDs. In additon to increased storage capacities. Since my laptop only does CDs, which is a bit shy in data capacity these days.

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    Those are for 3.5" SATA harddrive. If you need an enclosure for DVD burner, you should search for 5.25" external enclosure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchbox View Post
    RAID is for performance and/or data redundacy in case of harddrive failure. It does not serve the purpose of backup.
    Of course it can.

    What are you talking about!?!?!?


    RAID-5

    RAID-6

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    Quote Originally Posted by ESTEBEVERDE View Post
    Of course it can.

    What are you talking about!?!?!?


    RAID-5

    RAID-6
    You need to do a little more reading about RAID, RAID 5 and RAID 6 is not a backup solution, as he said it is for redundancy and drive failure, not for backups.

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    To head him, and others, in the right direction, first a little basics:

    RAID-0 isn't redundant, it divides files into parts and puts each succeeding part on a different drive and therefore offers faster data access (called striping)
    RAID-1 and higer are redundant systems. If one drive fails the others are able to reproduce the failed one. (RAID-3 and higher also use striping)
    Last but far from least is the combination of RAID systems, such as RAID1+0 or RAID0+1, they offer striping and redundancy. The difference from RAID-5 and higher is the combination is less CPU demanding but requires more harddrives.

    Thing with RAID-1 and up is the fact you drives are mirrored. But what if more than one drive fails? Your data is gone! Of course the same applies to 'real-backups', but the more 'real' a backup is, the further away it is from the other drives:
    -Offsite backup, most secure way
    -External harddrive not permanently connected, disaster (fire, water, ..), secure
    -Extra harddrive not in RAID setup, shortcircuit, pretty secure
    -RAID-1, RAID controller fails, bit secure
    -Just single disc, insecure way, one drive fails, everything is gone
    -Just RAID-0, most insecure way, one drive of X fails, everything is gone
    The backup strategies on the bottom suffer might fail due to the reason as stated, or due to all of the reasons of higher, better strategies.

    Generally I recommend to at least use external harddrives to backup very important data (like final projects).
    Personally I'm using a full blown backup/redundantserver (which is also used as a mailserver and media/dataserver) from my important data and I'm editing on a machine with a RAID1+0 setup.
    On my work I've installed four types of defense (data on a RAID 1 setup, backupserver, two external harddrives that are swapped each day of which one is put in a car, offsite backup)

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    How about backing up on a bluray disc? Anyone doing that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulk View Post
    How about backing up on a bluray disc? Anyone doing that?
    I am and it works nicely. 25gb per disc means I can backup a lot more at one time. Somewhat slow, but I do all my backing up while I sleep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CycleWriter View Post
    I am and it works nicely. 25gb per disc means I can backup a lot more at one time. Somewhat slow, but I do all my backing up while I sleep.
    Slow, but they are also expensive, BluRay media is still premium priced.

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    FYI - There is a rebate going on for these at zipzoomfly:

    THERMALTAKE ST0005U Blac X Plastic 2.5in & 3.5in SATA HDD Docking Station Retail

    Comes to $19.99 after the $15 mail in rebate. Expires 4/21

    Just a heads up to anyone considering something like this! I'm thinking about picking one up even though I don't really need it right now.

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    oh woow.. that is the USB + eSATA version. Good deal. I just bought one wiht 2% Live Cash back too. Thanks

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