Sorry to be a party pooper. If HV30 is out available now in B&H, I will order one in a heart beat just for the 30P recording mode. I wish there're more features (LANC, better looking body like the HG10).
I think for those who doesn't own a HV20, buying HV30 might not be bad. For those who already own HV20, no need to upgrade.
I plan to get a second HV20, so I will go for HV30
Mal, I see, I misunderstood, sorry. I thought you didn't care about the product.
Taky, if you don't own an HV20, sure, go for the HV30, but overall the product is not a huge improvement. Besides, we can't be sure that their 30p recording is without a need of pulldown removal or other weird processing that Canon did in order to be able to record on tape, and in that case there is no known utility that will perform that.
Last edited by Eugenia Loli-Queru; 2008 January 7th at 17:25.
See point number 2 in my post.Originally Posted by bluegrass
See point number 1 in my post. Granted, maybe I was a little too concise, so you've expanded on it nicely, and for that, I thank you. I'm actually quite looking forward to play with the HF10. I hope I don't like it. Can't afford to spend more money on this hobby at this minute!
No worries, Eugenia, just thought I'd clear that up.
HV30's 30p pulldown removal: on the other hand, we also don't know if Canon finally put in proper flags in the HV30 for 24p and 30p? Right? Any info on that?
Why do I need to remove pulldown from 30P video?No worries, Eugenia, just thought I'd clear that up.
HV30's 30p pulldown removal: on the other hand, we also don't know if Canon finally put in proper flags in the HV30 for 24p and 30p? Right? Any info on that?
I am not saying you do for sure, but given the fact that HDV doesn't have such provisions, Canon might have invented something weird again to stay compatible like in the PF24 case. Besides, 1080/60i can give you a perfect 1080/30p with a good de-interlacer, the only thing that's different is the lower shutter speeds.
taky, what did u mean by the hv30 at b+h?
than how about a 16 gig flash drive that is capable of emulating a mindv cassette with 50meg transfer rate we can shove in our 20s. but maybe it will have to go into the minidv slot like we use to plug our portable DVDs into our car cassette player.
you mean 6mm is a big deal?
are you saying avchd should be killed before it even got started?
i thought you only got background blur with a 35mm adaptor.
I think Taky was speaking hypothetically. like usual.
Well, like Eugenia said: how is that 30p wrapped in the 60i? Is a simple matter, or will there be NLEs which have difficulties recognizing it properly?
If the HV30 adds better 24p usability, and simple 30p, it will be a big plus.
Well, look on the bright side. At least Canon didn't go backwards, like Panasonic did when they followed the GS400 with the GS500....
Oh yeah.. MIA for a few months now come back for personal attack!I think Taky was speaking hypothetically. like usual.
hehe
I mean IF it's available at B&H, I will buy one from them.
what poor quality issues did they refer too?? was it just 1 individual case?
Not sure if you're a reservation holder of RED or not, but anyone higher than, say 700, should be fine.
It's new company with a new and very complicated product.
Since they don't have the time nor funds nor capacity to properly test the cam, I'd say the first few hundred cams' owners are BETA testers. Things can go wrong, and they did. Not all features are enabled. Once they get enabled, they will probably go wrong too, until they get sorted out.
The particular cam I was referring to suffered from VERY POOR Quality Control. RED swiftly came back and blamed the Christmas holiday staff, that "pushed the product out too fast, and it won't happen again" (paraphrasing).
From about mid-year, and from about serial number 700 things should be SWEET!
This is what I was speculating all alog. But you are corect...at least they did not go backwards.
thanks taky, your phrasing threw me off earlier
XHA1?
It's a very very capable camera that can make incredible images.
Some grabs of A1 with 35mm adapter
Thing is, I want a small-ish movie-look camera, and no adapters (which will mean a better included lens and a BIG sensor). I need the camera to be "made" for that specific indie filmmaking market rather than having myself trying to tweak it later...
Cool...
The XHA1 is much bigger.
I find it comfortable but I wonder if a great cam in between HV20 and XHA1 size would fit the bill?
What do you mean by that?
Yeah "HV30 + WA lens adapter + lens hood + videoMic + video lights" will
I just got an e-mail from Canon announcing the new line of camcorders. Like others here, first thing I did was compare the new features of the HV30 with my HV20. I agree that its not a huge improvement - but I don't understand why that should tick-off HV20 owners. We've got a great camera that it's hard for Canon to improve upon. 30p is the only real difference I noticed, but its certainly not worth upgrading. If I was in the market today, I'd probably even go with the HV20 because of the price. I'm glad that it has the same look and accessory compatibility - a major change would have devalued our HV20's.
I don't know how good it looks of the silver Canon WD-H43 WA lens on a black HV30.
you can always spraypant your lens! I remember when the HV20 came out some crazy kid said he was going to spray his black. I bet he's kicking himself now if he did it.
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