HV30 announced (and other new developments in the world of [moving] picture taking)

[bluegrass]

The new HF10 announced has a lot more appeal to me than the HV30 as for as a camera to backup my HV20. With the HF10 at least were talking moving into the future and not just a small improvement on what we now have.

I can predict the next big question coming soon to this forum. Should I purchase an HV20 now or wait till the HV30 or other new Canons from the VIXIA family reach the stores?

1. today you can pick up an HV20 for under $700.
2. the HV30 will be $1000 with possible discounts of a $100 maybe for basically the same camera.
3. the HF10 will use new storage technology that will eleminate built in audio noise but probably about the same as the HV30 otherwise. It will sell for about $1100 in the dual flash version which I would easily spend the extra money for over the HF100.

Frankly I am almost at a decision to purchase a backup or second camera to work with my existing HV20 and I think there is no doubt in my mind I would choose to spend the two to three hundred dollars more to advance my technology to the HF10, than to stay with the existing HV20. It will be interesting to watch how the prices on the HV20s hold and how the new VIXIA Canon line of cameras are accepted. In either case it looks like all of our peripheral investments in our HV20s are preserved in the VIXIA line. Time will reveal what the reality is.

[Hector]

I want new battery support!

[manuel_d]

Maybe I'm lucky this time.
Always when I buy a piece of electronics, it takes some weeks for the respective company to release a slightly altered version of the same product with improved specs.
I hope there isn't a too big difference in price in June/July (when I hope to buy a camera) between HV20 and HV30 in Japan.
I like the black color.

[Lunchbox]

I want new battery support!

Just like Frank, I'm already using the BP-2L24 high capacity battery.


http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=4315

[bluegrass]

I want new battery support!

If the voltage is the same for the new higher density batteries and they are the same electrical footpirnt than you already have the support. Devices only pull the amount of current they need. More current available at the same voltage will work fine.

[Dodgy Nick]

The new HF10 announced has a lot more appeal to me than the HV30 as for as a camera to backup my HV20.

Bluegrass, I was sort of thinking along the same lines, but worried that the HDV compression mixed with AVCHD codec will stand out like a sore thumb when you mix the footage of the two cams together. Also, the HF10 uses a different type of battery, so you can't use the HV20's spares as spares for both. ALSO, the HF10 looks like it records with a PAR of 1 at 1920x1080, whereas the HV20 records PAR 1.333 @ 1440x1080.

Having said that, IF the HF10 does everything else as well if not better than the HV20, then THAT is the camera I hoped the HV20 would have been when it came out. I wonder how the focus control on it works, and whether we could use our wide angle adapters on it? If we can, I'd be seriously tempted to put my HV20 on e-bay, fly out to NY and buy it at half the price I would in the UK.

EDIT: I just saw that the HF10 has a 37mm thread, so we can't use our lenses on it. We'll need to buy a WD-H37C as a wide angle lens. They know how to make money those guys at Canon!

[bluegrass]

Spoiler. You just spoiled my hopes. Guess it wouldn't be good for two camera shoots if you can't mix the formats in your editor.

We need give things a little time to see how all the specs bear out on this new Caon line of camcorders. In the meantime, I'll be happy shooting way into 2008 with my HV20.

Lets see how things play out in the next couple months.

[threadhanger]

Is HV20.com in need of a new name when all these new cameras are welcomed onto the forum?

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

The new AVCHD line of cameras use a 1/3.2 sensor, which means LESS BACKGROUND BLUR than HV20/HV30's 1/2.7. I would personally not go near them just because of that. And their filter thread is down to 37mm too.

[Dodgy Nick]

That seals it. If it's not good enough for Loli-Queru, it's not good enough for me!

Btw Eugenia, what's a Σελήνη??? Is that Klingon for something?

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

Selene means "moon".

BTW, did you notice that the HV30 does not mention a miniSD slot, while HV20's page does?

[Dodgy Nick]

Selene means "moon".

BTW, did you notice that the HV30 does not mention a miniSD slot, while HV20's page does?

On this page:
http://www.canon-europe.com/For_Home...ex.asp?specs=1
it does mention:
"Secure Digital Card YES (MiniSD)"

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

I am officially pissed off at Canon. Dumbed down AVCHD cameras regarding their CMOS sensor size and filter thread, and the HV30 is actually a joke. I had to blog about it and let my feelings out: http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/0...ou-screwed-up/

There is no way I am upgrading my gear. If Canon can't get it right, I think I will wait for the RED pocket camera if it's in the region of $3000.

[Dodgy Nick]

I am officially pissed off at Canon.

Haha, great blog post. I think you pretty much summed up everyone here's thoughts on the new range. I do however feel that you held back a little on that post. You should have told us how you really feel.

[Mal]

Well, I can understand why someone would think the HV30 should be a bigger jump from the HV20 than it is; but I recall other offerings of Canon and Sony, and Panasonic doing pretty much the same:
Was there REALLY that much difference between the ZR-700 to the ZR-800 or whatever?

I bet these companies have a set amount of cams that they see is an exhausted production run. 300000? 500000? Whatever the number is, I bet they just make a new cam after a while that is about the same, with some minor alterations.
Would I have liked to see different stuff in a HV30? Sure I would, but it's only 9 or 10 months since I got the HV20....in a way I'm happy Canon did NOT come out with a HV30 that entices me to upgrade already!

Oh, and RED mini? Pffff....that'll be mid-2009 at the earliest. I just hope they don't take even more resources away from the already thin-staffed RED ONE team, and actually make that camera work the way it ought to!

[sonu2c]

whats the difference between flash(hf100) and dual flash(hf10)?

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

>RED mini? Pffff....that'll be mid-2009 at the earliest.

I can wait. The HV20 won't die on me that fast.

>You should have told us how you really feel.

arrrraaaagggggaaaaaaaaaaaraaah..........

The HV30 is an anomaly. Canon got greedy and created a new model instead of releasing a new firmware.

[Dodgy Nick]

whats the difference between flash(hf100) and dual flash(hf10)?

1) the word 'dual'
2) a zero
3) mic input

[ForwardLooker]

There is no way I am upgrading my gear. If Canon can't get it right, I think I will wait for the RED pocket camera if it's in the region of $3000.

Hey Eugenia, where can i find info on this??

thanks

[Lou van Wijhe]

Sorry, I've got no time studying the HV30 as I'm busy filming with the HV20.

Lou

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

>Hey Eugenia, where can i find info on this??

There is not much known about the RED pocket camera. Their CEO made a forum post to confirm the rumors that the camera will be announced in April, at NAB. It will be a small camera, but they stressed out that it's going to be professional camera for filmmakers, not a toy and not the kind of semi-pro cameras you get today which are mostly good for news reporters rather than movies. I expect it to be in the range of $2500 to $5000. The only real question is if they will have some support for PC editing by then, so we can convert the RED codec to something that Vegas can read. So far, only Final Cut Studio supports the RED codec you see.

[Mal]

...where can i find info on this??

There's NO real info on it at all.

The RED personnel put out a teaser on their forum, as a means of diverting attention away from someone complaining about poor quality issues on a delivered RED ONE.

All the RED announcement was, was the name of the RED MINI, which is Gloria, or Sophie, or Gwendolyn or whatever; I couldn't give a toss to be honest.
It was a bone for angry forum members, so they can go and speculate and salivate on what the specs might or ought to be.

No announcement of any value whatsoever, and no size/price/technical specs are made or even hinted...

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

>I couldn't give a toss to be honest.

I do. I am interested in a camera that's made FOR movie-makers, not for Joe Reporter filming the biggest cookie in Brooklyn for the local TV news. None of the semi-pro cameras from Canon or Sony do it for me because their sensor is so small, they were not made with movies in mind. Only the HVX200 comes close, but it's still not as good for the purpose either. That's where the RED MINI comes to fill that void. Unless Canon gets its act together that is.

Anyways, to stay on topic, the HV30 is a joke regardless.

[bluegrass]

1) the word 'dual'
2) a zero
3) mic input

spoiler - you left out the removal of a zero in the name on the dual.

although sono2c might like the real answer which is the 100 has no built in flash to capture to, where the 10 does and than gives you the option of adding a memory chip in addition to the builit in 16 gig flash memory.

[Mal]

Hey Eugenia, you quoted me out of context...in a sort of clever way of course! :-)

My "I couldn't give a toss" really was preceeded with "All the RED announcement was". It was the announcement I couldn't give a toss about, not the RED MINI itself.

I like the RED ONE and hold a reservation like others here too, and I'll probably be keen to look at the RED MINI also, once specs and price are out.

It's these so called 'announcements' that are ridiculous to me, not the product.