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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    Huh? You'll have to explain that one.
    Well, if you look at the MTS website, you can have a 'smartphone' which is the Blackberry or an iPhone. Seems to me that MTS is using its leverage in the market to force the iPhone on poor consumers like you. You said yourself that your wife wanted the Galaxy, but it was prohibitive, by cost, because MTS have you tied in by some evil package plan. Looks like MTS is in bed with Apple. That's anti competitive, isn't it?
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    Here's a new crtc law that I love to death and can't wait for it:

    Loud TV commercials

    Sometimes when you’re watching TV, a loud commercial message can really startle you. This is about to change. Starting in September 2012, broadcasters and television service providers (e.g. cable, satellite and IPTV providers) will have to follow international standards1 for measuring and controlling digital television signals and ensure that TV commercials are at the same volume as programs.
    http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/info_sht/g3.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    Well, if you look at the MTS website, you can have a 'smartphone' which is the Blackberry or an iPhone. Seems to me that MTS is using its leverage in the market to force the iPhone on poor consumers like you. You said yourself that your wife wanted the Galaxy, but it was prohibitive, by cost, because MTS have you tied in by some evil package plan. Looks like MTS is in bed with Apple. That's anti competitive, isn't it?
    Like any other company, MTS is allowed to issue 'incentives' (ours being the bundle pricing), but if we choose... we can go elsewhere. No "force" involved

    As for Apple and MTS... not sure what their deal is. My GUESS.... Apple paid a lot of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    Like any other company, MTS is allowed to issue 'incentives' (ours being the bundle pricing), but if we choose... we can go elsewhere. No "force" involved

    As for Apple and MTS... not sure what their deal is. My GUESS.... Apple paid a lot of money.
    But MTS owns the cellphone infrastructure, no? That gives it the advantage over the competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    But MTS owns the cellphone infrastructure, no? That gives it the advantage over the competition.
    No. One of the primary functions of the CRTC is to ensure growth and healthy competition between providers. CRTC law states that MTS can not monopolize its towers and MUST be open to selling a legitimate part of its space to competitors at "wholesale prices". Further... there is NO law which prevents Rogers from setting up its own towers.

    Now the CRTC does not (and can not) dictate the products and services (beyond those considered dangerous and/or substandard) which a particular company chooses to provide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    ensure that TV commercials are at the same volume as programs.
    Maybe technically, but not perceptually. We have such regulation here, but still, commercials are louder than the actual program.

    Look into "dynamic range compression", and you'll know why.

    "Most television commercials are compressed heavily (typically to a dynamic range of no more than 3dB) in order to achieve near-maximum perceived loudness while staying within permissible limits. This is the explanation for a problem that TV viewers and listeners have noticed for years: While commercials receive heavy compression for the same reason that radio broadcasters have traditionally used it (to achieve a "loud" audio image), TV program material, particularly old movies with soft dialogue, is comparatively uncompressed by TV stations. This results in commercials much louder than the television programs."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    No. One of the primary functions of the CRTC is to ensure growth and healthy competition between providers. CRTC law states that MTS can not monopolize its towers and MUST be open to selling a legitimate part of its space to competitors at "wholesale prices". Further... there is NO law which prevents Rogers from setting up its own towers.

    Now the CRTC does not (and can not) dictate the products and services (beyond those considered dangerous and/or substandard) which a particular company chooses to provide.
    Then you should present your case at the Canadian Court of Human Rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    Maybe technically, but not perceptually
    Well, we'll see. The crtc is not really known for playing games. The penalties companies face for not following the rules can be pretty stiff. The end result should (and probably will) be a noticable difference to the consumer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    Then you should present your case at the Canadian Court of Human Rights.
    What's my case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    What's my case?
    I don't know, talk to a lawyer. Just tell him everything you've been bitching about here, he'll know what to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    I don't know
    Yes... I can see that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    Yes... I can
    Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    Well, we'll see. The crtc is not really known for playing games. The penalties companies face for not following the rules can be pretty stiff. The end result should (and probably will) be a noticable difference to the consumer.
    But the thing is, even when the rules are followed to the letter (as they are here), commercials will still sound louder.

    There's no solid common metric for perceived loudness other than level meters. There's a certain threshold of loudness as judged by these meters that is not allowed to be exceeded. But the thing is, even when the meter reading is exactly the same, the perceived volume will vary considerably.

    More compression means just that the softer parts of a recording will be adjusted to roughly the same level as the loudest parts. The end result is a louder mix, even though the highest levels as shown by the meter are exactly the same. And it doesn't stop there: loudness also depends on frequency, among other things. High mid tones sound louder than low bass, even if they are at the exact same level according to the meters.

    The ultimate example would be something like 1 kHz sine wave - it consists of only a single high mid tone frequency, and it has no volume variation at all. Play back such sine wave at any given volume setting, and it will always sound louder than pretty much anything else that's played at the same volume.
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    Is that why EBU specifies the leader 1 kHz tone to -18 dB?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Halsu View Post
    But the thing is, even when the rules are followed to the letter (as they are here), commercials will still sound louder.
    Again... we'll see. The CRTC is acting PURELY on consumer complaint, and has decided that industry alone has not done a good enough job at fixing the issue. If those complaints continue even after the new law takes effect then I suspect the CRTC will ratchet up the law even tighter. So it's in the best interest of the broadcaster to clearly show a difference is being made... or risk an even tighter noose.

    1. Over the years, Canadians have increasingly expressed irritation over the unnecessary loudness of television commercials, which is due in part to the use of audio processing techniques to make commercial messages seem louder than regular programming.[1]

    2. In 2006, the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) established an international standard to measure the loudness of television programs.[2] In November 2009, based on the ITU’s standard, the Advanced Television Systems Committee (ATSC)[3] developed a practice that enables the broadcasting industry to effectively measure and control the loudness of commercial messages.[4]

    3. The ATSC’s recommended practice sets out methods for broadcasters and television service providers to ensure that commercials are received at an even volume relative to regular programming. This would address the concern of viewers over the need to constantly turn down the volume of commercials.

    4. In response to Canadians’ complaints about loud commercials and given the availability of equipment based on the above-noted international standards, the Commission sought comment on possible measures to solve the problem.

    5. The Commission received over 7,000 comments in response to its Call for comments on measures to control the loudness of commercial messages, Broadcasting Notice of Consultation CRTC 2011-102, 17 February 2011. The complete record for this proceeding can be found on the Commission’s website at www.crtc.gc.ca under “Public Proceedings.
    http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2011/2011-584.htm#b4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    You also have a somwhat limited access to the folders on iphone.
    The Term "Folders" doesn't exist in iOS. Everything is sorted in libraries.

    The idea behind that was that his Steveliness thought a normal directory structure with folders and files would be too confusing for gramma. To keep things simple, he came up with the libraries.

    iTunes is only needed for synching of older content that you have on a desktop/laptop. Anything that you buy after you got your iPhone/Pad comes from the cloud.
    Create your ringtones in Garageband, and they will be sorted in the correct library automatically, regardless if created in OS X or iOS. If you use an external app for ringtone creation, all you have to do is to drag your work into iTunes' ringtone folder. Can't be that complicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgbier View Post
    iTunes is only needed for synching of older content that you have on a desktop/laptop. Anything that you buy after you got your iPhone/Pad comes from the cloud.
    Okay smart guy... how do I connect Microsoft outlook (windows7 64 bit) to icloud?

    With galaxy it all automatically syncs and backs up through wifi as I walk in the door (so long as the computer is on). How do I accomplish something similar with cloud?




    Quote Originally Posted by cgbier View Post
    Can't be that complicated.
    I don't think anybody here said it was complicated. I do expect however that things work. Itunes CLEARLY has syncing issues with outlook, and you'll see I'm not alone on that if you do a google search
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    How am I supposed to know? I don't have the need for Outlook. Check the AppStore. I bet there's an app for that (probably even for free).
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    ... Are you looking for solutions on google or do you just want to have your whining confirmed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgbier View Post
    How am I supposed to know? I don't have the need for Outlook. Check the AppStore. I bet there's an app for that (probably even for free).
    I went to the app store and searched "sync outlook windows 7" and the search comes up with one program... CDR pda (not much to do with syncing windows outlook)

    Any other ideas?
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    I sync all my emails to gmail. You set that up in gmail on your PC and download gmail app. I dont like the iOS email app. Since you are a fan of google i dont know why you were using android's email app previosly and not the better gmail app.

    But if its for work you would have to obtain the necessary passwords and permission to do this.

    I use gmail for 3 diff email addresses and you can retain the sendas address so it looks like you never used gmail.

    It will also sync to google calendar, but i personally dont care for google's calendar. The fact that it wont show the whole year view is childish.
    Last edited by blondandfun; 2012 August 18th at 22:52.

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    I again went to the app store and searched "icloud for windows". This is what I got:



    Nothing to do with windows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blondandfun View Post
    I sync all my emails to gmail. You set that up in gmail on your PC and download gmail app. I dont like the iOS email app. Since you are a fan of google i dont know why you were using android's email app previosly and not the better gmail app.

    But if its for work you would have to obtain the necessary passwords and permission to do this.

    I use gmail for 3 diff email addresses and you can retain the sendas address so it looks like you never used gmail.
    It's the SCHEDULING CALENDERS I'm concerned with.

    And yes... I already have a gmail address... which is synced with my windows live mail... which is synced with my MTS mail (my mts mail; xxxxx@mts.net, being the main one)


    (xxxx is obviously not my real address
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    Read my last sentence edited, it will sync to google calendar, but i agree that neither google or apple' s calendars is as good as outlook.

    But you are aware that outlook costs half what your iphone is worth? You cant expect it to be equal on mobile.

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