What Firewire from HV40 to 15 inch MacBook Pro?

[malcolm31]

I am sorry if this questions has already been answered. I couldn't seem to find the answer in any of the posts.

My buddy has a 15 inch MacBook Pro. I would like to run a Firewire from my HV40 to his MacBook to transfer footage. What Firewire do I need to purchase? thanks in advance.

[Almohada]

Do you know what year the Mac Book Pro is?

[malcolm31]

I believe it is a brand new one (well, maybe 2011). It is either a 2012 or 2011.

[Dr. Benway]

Then it's simply a matter of money. Search for Thunderbolt to FW400. https://www.google.com/search?q=thun...w=1755&bih=873

http://www.sonnettech.com/product/ec...underbolt.html

http://www.amazon.com/Sonnet-FireWir.../dp/B0000CDJPQ

http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl...9,r:0,s:0,i:72

Those are some leads but personally I am using none of them, being on Windows.

[cgbier]

All you need is a simple 4-pin to 9-pin cable.

[Krane]

Then it's simply a matter of money. Search for Thunderbolt to FW400. https://www.google.com/search?q=thun...w=1755&bih=873

http://www.sonnettech.com/product/ec...underbolt.html

http://www.amazon.com/Sonnet-FireWir.../dp/B0000CDJPQ

http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl...9,r:0,s:0,i:72

Those are some leads but personally I am using none of them, being on Windows.

Yeah, the 2012 Macbooks dumped the firewire. A system they partially helped develop. Go figure. On the other hand, Mac has habit of doing that?

You can also go with an adapter, either 6 pin or 9 pin. The desktop is 6 and 9 pin.

[cgbier]

Yeah, the 2012 Macbooks dumped the firewire. A system they partially helped develop. Go figure. On the other hand, Mac has habit of doing that?

You can also go with an adapter, either 6 pin or 9 pin. The desktop is 6 and 9 pin.

There is no 6 pin port on Macs since 2008/9.

The FireWire bus is still there. It just runs via the TB connector now.

Get your facts straight BEFORE you post.

[Krane]

There is no 6 pin port on Macs since 2008/9.

The FireWire bus is still there. It just runs via the TB connector now.

Get your facts straight BEFORE you post.

There are no "facts" to get straight. Since none of what you said, counters anything I said. You simple added additional information that I felt was superfluous. And you say that with such conviction as if those Macs aren't still around. And yes, I know about the clunky TB additional cost interface as well. I simply skipped those useless details.

[MrMicah]

There are no "facts" to get straight. Since none of what you said, counters anything I said. You simple added additional information that I felt was superfluous. And you say that with such conviction as if those Macs aren't still around. And yes, I know about the clunky TB additional cost interface as well. I simply skipped those useless details.

You do acknowledge though, that your post was misleading to the OP?

You have been told that the Mac in question is 2011 or 2012. You state that the firewire (port?) was dropped in 2012, so you have set out your credentials about being knowledgeable about 2012 Macs and then you add:

You can also go with an adapter, either 6 pin or 9 pin. The desktop is 6 and 9 pin.

cgbier adds:

There is no 6 pin port on Macs since 2008/9.

And you don't dispute this in your subsequent post, so I assume that cgbier's information is FACTUALLY correct and therefore your post was misleading to the OP about what options were available, and possibly also your knowledge of Macs.

Your subsequent post does nothing to acknowledge possibly misleading the OP, but seems to be an attack on cgbier. I'm not sure if this was out of defensiveness or embarassment or for some other reason.

You have a curious mix of arrogance and a lack of humility. Do you have these same characteristics in face to face situations, or just when you deal with people remotely over a relatively anonymous medium?

I saw your post elsewhere about how you are up to date with the latest in technology. Do you know if your particular behavioural characteristics have a medical / psychological term?

[HueyNRolf]

A simple rule of thumb is to do the opposite of whatever Krane recommends and you'll be alright most of the time.

[malcolm31]

I guess I am more confused now.....maybe the most important thing is....what size firewire connects to my HV40? and where exactly does it connect? I think my buddy might be able to figure out what size firewire goes to his macbook....

[Janke]

The HV40 camera has a small, 4-pin FW connector. There's a little rubber cover on the back, to the right of the battery. Open it, there's the FW and the HDMI...

There is something called a "User's Manual" you know... Don't forget to remove it from the plastic bag before trying to read it!

[Krane]

You do acknowledge though, that your post was misleading to the OP?

You have been told that the Mac in question is 2011 or 2012. You state that the firewire (port?) was dropped in 2012, so you have set out your credentials about being knowledgeable about 2012 Macs and then you add:

In your analysis did you also notice that none of what I said violate that level of knowledge?

cgbier adds:



And you don't dispute this in your subsequent post, so I assume that cgbier's information is FACTUALLY correct and therefore your post was misleading to the OP about what options were available, and possibly also your knowledge of Macs.

The reason I didn't dispute him was to avoid going into these adolescent discussion that do nothing to enhance the site or answer the question.

Your subsequent post does nothing to acknowledge possibly misleading the OP, but seems to be an attack on cgbier.

Correction: rebuke his attack on my credibility. I do my homework (which is part of why I'm here) and don't make statements I can't validate.

I'm not sure if this was out of defensiveness or embarassment or for some other reason.

Them permit me to enlighten you: if you create a hostile environment, then I will respond in kind.

You have a curious mix of arrogance and a lack of humility. Do you have these same characteristics in face to face situations, or just when you deal with people remotely over a relatively anonymous medium?

I'm sure you don't want to go down that road since I have the ability to form opinions too, and I'm very good at it.

I saw your post elsewhere about how you are up to date with the latest in technology.

Did you also read what preceded that response?

Do you know if your particular behavioural characteristics have a medical / psychological term?

I'm not the one instigating the ad hominid threads. Perhaps you should look closer to home for your psychological dysfunctions.

A simple rule of thumb is to do the opposite of whatever Krane recommends and you'll be alright most of the time.

Only if you want to be on the opposite side of informed.

A succinct answer doesn't make them incorrect. Especially when you don't know how much knowledge the person already has. If the OP needs additions information, I expect that he will ask for it.

A variety of styles if what these forums are all about. Let the OP make up his own mind on what and who's statements are valid or not. That's how they work.

[MrMicah]

In your analysis did you also notice that none of what I said violate that level of knowledge?

Actuallly your advice shows very limited real knowledge, especially after you had made statements that purported that you did have knowledge.

The reason I didn't dispute him was to avoid going into these adolescent discussion that do nothing to enhance the site or answer the question.

I didn't realise that you were an adolesent Ktane. I'll bear that in mind. I accept your reason for not disputing cgbier. You did not want to have to explain your earliier misleading statement.

Correction: rebuke his attack on my credibility. I do my homework (which is part of why I'm here) and don't make statements I can't validate.Them permit me to enlighten you: if you create a hostile environment, then I will respond in kind.

As discussed, your credibility in this matter is open to question. You have not validated your statements about the availability of firewire on the 2011 or 2012 Macs. I feel no more enlightened by your statements on the subject than previously, so your ability to enlighten is also now seriously tarnished. You had previously made your point about being an adolescent. I understand that you have homework to do. Perhaps it is best that you go and do your homework rather than post misleading statements on internet forums.

I'm sure you don't want to go down that road since I have the ability to form opinions too, and I'm very good at it.

I don't think that I suggested that you could not, or should not form opinions. In fact, you have an opinion that you are very good at forming opinions as shown by the second sentence of the quote. Other people will have the ability to form GOOD opinions, which is slightly different. In any case, having an opinion, being good at forming opinions or being able to form good opinions does not make a person's opinions correct or factual. All the OP wanted was some facts, not your opinions.

Did you also read what preceded that response? I'm not the one instigating the ad hominid threads. Perhaps you should look closer to home for your psychological dysfunctions.Only if you want to be on the opposite side of informed.

I did. I think I was the first person to respond in that thread. I'll need to check about which threads you have started and their redeeming value to humanity. The relevant part of the statement was that you claim to be up-to-date with technology. I was not sure if that encompassed medical technology and emerging research into various internet based syndromes. I would look closer to home for my psychological functions, but I was concerned more about yours as exhibited through various posts in these forums. I presume that you have no intention of answering whether your behaviour here is similar to your behaviour in face to face contact with people. You have assisted me to understand that you are an adolescent, so that does tend to provide some explanation.

A succinct answer doesn't make them incorrect. Especially when you don't know how much knowledge the person already has. If the OP needs additions information, I expect that he will ask for it.

Agreed that just because an answer is succinct does not make it incorrect. However, an incorrect answer is incorrect. It seems your answer about pins was incorrect, or at least misleading.

A variety of styles if what these forums are all about. Let the OP make up his own mind on what and who's statements are valid or not. That's how they work.

I believe that the OP has posted to confirm that your advice did not assist him (despite all of your homework).

So, despite a lengthy response by you, you are still not prepared to acknowledge that your post was misleading to the OP?

[HueyNRolf]

the ad hominid threads.

[HueyNRolf]

Yeah, the 2012 Macbooks dumped the firewire. A system they partially helped develop. Go figure. On the other hand, Mac has habit of doing that?

Really? First of all, Mac is a brand made by Apple. So "Mac" didn't do anything. Second, all technology has a shelf life, remember the floppy drive? True, Apple was the first to dump it, to huge gasps at the time, but other makers soon followed suit.

So how is "Mac has habit of doing that"? Mr Knowledgable.

[NTurner]

This thread's great! I'm wondering what super simple question I can ask which will provoke such a fierce rebuke...

@OP: This is the FireWire cable I use to connect my HV40 to my girlfriend's MacBook Pro - it's a 13inch early 2011 model: http://ak.buy.com/PI/0/250/218148509.jpg

The plug on the right of the image goes into the camera. If your friend's Macbook Pro has a Retina display, then it doesn't have FireWire, and you'll need a Thunderbolt adapter. If it doesn't have a Retina display, then it does have 9 pin IEEE 1394b FireWire and the cable in the picture will work.

Have fun!

[Almohada]

I'm sure you guys confused the f*ck outta the OP.

[cgbier]

Why, Almo? The answer is as simple as:

All you need is a simple 4-pin to 9-pin cable.

[HueyNRolf]

Why, Almo? The answer is as simple as:

And watch out for the hominids

[dop16mm]

I've been contemplating getting a relatively cheap pc laptop, but most current models don't even have an expansion card. Even Sony that had 4 pin firewire last year, don't this year. Seem to be still available on Pro/workstation class machines by lenovo, but not on gaming systems that would be more than good enough spec wise.

[Dr. Benway]

Even Sony that had 4 pin firewire last year, don't this year.

Yep, it's all about SD cards and USB 3 now.

[Krane]

I've been contemplating getting a relatively cheap pc laptop, but most current models don't even have an expansion card. Even Sony that had 4 pin firewire last year, don't this year. Seem to be still available on Pro/workstation class machines by lenovo, but not on gaming systems that would be more than good enough spec wise.

Funny how the once predominate developers of the technology were among the first to drop it.

Anyway, it's not completely absent from all laptops. As you say, it's still present on workstations and also gaming machines:

Dell's Alienware division still include this port; at least that was the case the last time I checked. And things tend to change rapidly in the computer world. Anyway, you can always retrofit it via the express card slot.

[Dr. Benway]

Funny how the once predominate developers of the technology were among the first to drop it.

I think it's crap that there are so many protocols vying for dominance. It would be great if engineers were clever enough, and companies mature enough to work together, to make this work with that so we could simply buy adaptors for any connection and our computers could detect and access devices without question. Legacy devices and connectors could integrate with Thunderbolt, FW800, whatever. Pipe dreams.

[Krane]

I think it's crap that there are so many protocols vying for dominance. It would be great if engineers were clever enough, and companies mature enough to work together, to make this work with that so we could simply buy adaptors for any connection and our computers could detect and access devices without question. Legacy devices and connectors could integrate with Thunderbolt, FW800, whatever. Pipe dreams.

That would be nice, but there's just too much money in it for the company that corners the market. The temptation and greed is too great.

Every manufacture wants everyone to use their proprietary protocol and only their protocol. The problem comes when companies start off like gangbuster with the latest and greatest port to end all ports (wasn't that Firewire?) then simply drop the product without the simplest consideration of phasing it out over time. Leaving consumer holding a useless no longer supported technology.

Remember 8 tracks? Sony Betamax? Laserdisc? HDDVD? Sony's termed i-Link had great expectations then suddenly it was no more? Just what was the problem with Firewire? It started off well enough since it was in every consumer video product and computers on the market. Then along comes a tapeless systems and FW vanishes overnight. Was that it's only claim to fame? Apparently. What say you Apple and Sony? Where do consumer go next? If the creators of a product don't think enough of it's own protocol to include it on their new devices, what chance is there left for us?

Anyway, now that Apple and Sony has left us high and dry again--with our drawer of useless Firewire cables--where do we go? I know, to the new champion....Apple's vaulted Thunderbolt!

It will be your solution to the protocol muti-port nightmare. Everything you could ask for in one simple easy to use ports. The post to end all ports. Wait! Didn't they say that about Firewire? Never mind that, have you taken the leap of faith yet?