Mirrorless Canon
Canon has announced the mirror less EOS-M with exchangeable lenses to counter Panasonic, Sony and Olympus. The APS-C cam has a new lens mount (EF-M) with adaptors for standard EOS lenses available and costs $799 with a 22/2.0 lens.
If it had a viewfinder I'd think about it.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
I wonder how this one rates for aliasing and moire problems.
Pity it is $200 extra for the adapter to allow use of EF and EF-S lenses. That's, umm... shite - changing mounts like that.
But I guess the Chinese are working on it and we'll see $80.00 adapters on eBay in a few months.
$80 adapters? Hell no... expect maybe $30 tops...Originally Posted by Dr. Benway
This might be somewhat interesting, it's good to see Canon actually finally stepping to the mirrorless plate. Not sure if you mentioned it CG, but Nikon are already there with mirrorless as well. Sony, Panasonic and Olympus own the market though... which is fair considering the chokehold Canon and Nikon have on the DSLR market.
I just got my GH2, and I have no intention of going back to Canon for any reason other than photography. If I was to do that, I'd get one of the SLR's they offer... not the mirrorless cams.
Last edited by Daniel Rutter; 2012 July 25th at 21:02.
Daniel, even for photography I was never a Canon fan. I still love my 8 year old Olympus E-1 (moving from Nikon and Mamiya film cams).
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Never implyed you were. Simply stating I have no interest in a mirrorless, viewfinder-less Canon camera.
I've never used olympus... but never took anyone shooting with an olympus "DSLR" (yeah, they exist) seriously. Nowadays, I've shot with my GH1 for photos and video... and nobody takes me seriously. Didn't expect anything to change with the GH2, but people will pay me if my product looks good. It's always fun to hear a client's surprise when you rock up to the gig with your gear.. "Where's your camera?... oh, thats your camera?...". Then they see the final product, and fall over.
Ignorance is a bliss, ain't it?I've never used olympus... but never took anyone shooting with an olympus "DSLR" (yeah, they exist) seriously.
The E-1 was aimed as a counter piece to Nikon D1 and Canon 1D in a more handy and compact format. You took shooters with these cams serious?
I'm pretty comfortable with the size of my dick, so I don't need a fancy camera or beg to be taken serious.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
The EOS M includes a unique feature set making it an ideal movie-making tool, while also offering incredible still image quality on its APS-C-sized CMOS sensor. The camera's size, image quality, advanced video capabilities and the versatility of Canon's full lineup of lenses make the EOS M another great option to help our customers record and capture their creative vision.
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I'm kind of with you on this one. While I've always considered Canon and Nikon gear to be comparable (I've used both professionally) I'm not much impressed with this one. They are "late to the party" with a "me, too" product that isn't "me, too" enough. Olympus and Panasonic have already taken the kind of "commanding lead" in the mirrorless arena that Canon did with video capabilities in the DSLR market.
Nikon may have been there first with the D90 but they didn't keep their lead for long.
Well, they sure as heck don't take me with my Olympus Pen E-P3 very seriously either, which suits me just fine. I can get away with a LOT MORE with that thing than I could with my 60D (and get essentially the same pictures). I can slip right "under the radar".
Photojournalists are discovering the GH2, recently the Chinese had cities in Tibet where Bhuddists were protesting (several had done self immolation in protest) totally "locked down" and news crews couldn't get in. But Sky News got a gal and her driver/photographer in because all the gear they were carrying was one or two GH2's. They looked like "personal tourist cams" to the Chinese at the checkpoints (if they even noticed the cameras) and the team got in.
I saw some of the footage. They weren't taken seriously and got away with it, including interviews.
Bruce Foreman
I am a reforming videomaking addict
I don't know if anyone remembers a commercial with a wedding photographer with a huge camera with a cloth over his head and David Bailey with an Olympus Trip. The guy with the big camera keeps putting David Bailey down but David Bailey just keeps taking lots of shots and saying things like: No it's not so bad..quite good actually.
Then someone says to the "Professional": Do you know who this is? David Bailey.
And the response is: David who?
HFS21 l HF100 l DM100 l Zoom H1
Yeah, it's the modern Leica M5 and Tri-X.Photojournalists are discovering the GH2
Seems for jobs like the one in Tibet, no-one discerns between photo- and videographers anymore. To work for a newspaper in the internet age, you have to wear both shoes.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Same here, hence the GH1 and GH2. That being said, in regards to my comments on the Olympus DSLR user... this was before I owned a DSLR, and I was shooting with my HV30. I'd never heard of Olympus before, except for point and shoot cameras. Like I said, I didn't take him seriously (in the same way I'm not taken seriously with my cameras). The point is, I now understand better than I did... and I believe that if you do good work with reasonable equipment, it should never matter what gear you own. As long as you can do your job... right?
Simmy, you are now just SPAMMING the forum, to include links to your websites.
The difference is, you didn't even bother to include quotes, but just copied & pasted stuff you found.
Bad form.
Be warned.
You're now Yellow-carded!
Yes...And no.
Depends on several factors, how you sell yourself, how you conduct yourself, and how you apply your skills.
Yet there is still an image issue. Before the digital age very few wedding photographers could show up with 35mm gear because all the Uncles, Cousins, and half the guests also had 35mm cameras there. So most wedding pros had to carry something big, like Hasselblad (while not really big it looked bigger and more businesslike than 35mm).
I worked weddings with modular press gear like Mamiya Press, Graflex XL, and TLR like Rollei and Mamiya C33. I eventually could afford Hasselblad stuff but every now and then I'd do one with a Mamiya RB67. NO ONE scuttled in front of me when I had that "beast" lined up.
Now it's all digital and gear is getting smaller. The big Canons and Nikons still impress, but the Panasonic GH2 still seems like a half size Rebel.
It's up to you, how you present yourself, and what results you get. If you look like you know what you're doing, you get respect.
Bruce Foreman
I am a reforming videomaking addict
True or not, that old story gets recycled every few years regarding gear.
Nobody gets in your way when you carry around an RB. That thing could leave a big dent in your opponent's skull.... pure intimidation.with a Mamiya RB67. NO ONE scuttled in front of me when I had that "beast" lined up.
I miss my RB.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
You could just mount one of your HF100's into some huge old body
HFS21 l HF100 l DM100 l Zoom H1
This time it's not "that old story recycled". Here's the footage shot by Sky News with Holly Williams reporting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cgoi-bEyEQ
And here's an article by Andy Portch on the use of the AF101 (AF100 in US) and GH2 use in the Beijing bureau, showing Holly Williams and I believe Andy with both cams. I found it a very interesting, well written, and well illustrated article.
http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2011/...d-gh2-cameras/
Dan Chung got the Beijing bureau started using Canon 5D MkII and 7D cameras, looks like the GH2 (without the hacks as far as I can find out) is being found more useful.
Bruce Foreman
I am a reforming videomaking addict
Maybe if I were still working weddings. But I got the HF100's and GH2's because I no longer want to "lug around" some huge old body.You could just mount one of your HF100's into some huge old body
Bruce Foreman
I am a reforming videomaking addict
Next update for me is Raw. I love shooting raw stills and want the same experience with video. I'm excited about the Digital Bolex and the Black Magic, as well as other Raw cameras in the works.
When Canon, Nikon, whomever comes out with a camera that shoots Raw for around 3,000 USD I'll get excited.
This is like a tiny T4i. Cool. I'd probably buy one if I didn't have a T2i already.
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
And what about the hardware to edit that RAW footage?
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Here's an idea: How about adapting one of those RB's to act as an enclosure to hold a GH2 inside? Best of both worlds (and no more working out at the gym!)
I remember something somebody did a few years ago that was mentioned here. It was a shell for small cameras like the HV20 that looked like a TV broadcast camera.
I tend to piss people off too often. Then I have to think of creative signatures to apologize.
Oh yeah, i remember that one. You had be very visually challenged though to mistake that one for a "real" cam though....
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Practically a non-issue these days. I worked on a 48 Hour Film this past weekend that shot in 4K RAW on the Scarlet: edited in Premiere, CC'd in Resolve on a MacBook Pro (no RED Rocket card), rendered to NTSC SD, turned on on deadline (even though 20 of those hours were spent shooting).
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