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    What am I to expect with a client who wants to play my her DVD on the big screen cinema for family friends? Quality wise is it the same viewing as a big tv? All my discs play great on the tv but do not know what to expect with a big screen??? Anyone doing this for weddings? Do I need to edit or burn a disc any different? Should I be worried or not??

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    I guess that is close to a movie preview screening like ... one of our forumers had a few months ago. By the way so others can offer thier opinion whats the settings for the disc you burn now?

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    The big screen is for movies. But how your clients choose to view the content is really not your concern. However if they want the best large screen experience, they need you to start with the highest quality video you can offer. At this point, thats not DV.

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    Steve, you're talking about projection with "Power Point Beamer"? That shouldn't give you grey hair. If it is a real cinema screen, I would start with BD as base.
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    Or, if you're using the HV camera, edit back to HDV tape and connect the camera to the projector via HDMI - I did it once, and was stunned by the quality!

    (Oh, BTW, you can charge extra for that... )

    If you project from DVD, it's just SD, not HD, and indeed is, and looks like TV...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    edit back to HDV tape
    That is not possible. Trust me, it's not. I was trying to export back to HDV for a film I did a couple years back.... just wouldn't work. I called several post houses and a production company and asked the in-house editor. You can only record back in SD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almohada View Post
    That is not possible. Trust me, it's not.
    Very strange indeed - I usually trust you*, but in this case, your post houses don't know what they're talking about...

    I can do it in HD both in iMovie6 and Final Cut Express... it just works!

    I have the tapes to prove it!

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    iMovie and FCE both create a m2ts file, that the same software can transfer to tape. Very simply.

    Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2t#Use..._video_cameras

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    Almo, yes you can. All my HDV projects go back to tape for archiving. It just takes a while. There's a difference between writing back and editing back to tape... FCE and FCP did it, just FCP X does not (without a Kona card).
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    Quote Originally Posted by liverpool 1 View Post
    Should I be worried or not??
    Not. DVD is DVD and you don't get a choice of resolution. Lots of film festivals show DVDs on large screens. The typical audience isn't composed of pixel peepers, doesn't know the difference between DVD and Blu-Ray and doesn't care. If there is some little kid who says "Mummy, why is the bride blurry?", she'll just be told to shut up.

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    Sorry for late replies guys been sooo busy, yep she wants a blue ray for the screening, so i will burn her a bluray for the screening and a sd for her tv and normal viewing, Mmmm not sure on the bluray as there is slight judder on the hv slow motion, am i better to run the slow motion through twixter? anyone know a better slow motion system for blu ray/

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    Quote Originally Posted by liverpool 1 View Post
    Sorry for late replies guys been sooo busy, yep she wants a blue ray for the screening, so i will burn her a bluray for the screening and a sd for her tv and normal viewing, Mmmm not sure on the bluray as there is slight judder on the hv slow motion, am i better to run the slow motion through twixter? anyone know a better slow motion system for blu ray/
    I'm not sure whats the problem is but its not likely to be resolved after the fact. In some cases, the player can mitigate this effect. You can try to reedit and limit those shots and/or how log they are on screen. From now on you might want to avoid the panning (is there any wonder why? ) and stick to static shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    Very strange indeed - I usually trust you*, but in this case, your post houses don't know what they're talking about...
    I second that. The only thing you can't do is print back to tape in HDV 24p. It will only accept HDV60i *(24p wrapped in 60i for compliancy). But it's perfectly doable.
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    Not. DVD is DVD and you don't get a choice of resolution.
    I don't know what's the actual resolution of a 35mm projector, but I'd say it doesn't matter: as long as you deliver what they want, and if they asked for DVD, they shouldn't complain about quality/resolution or any other technical issue.
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    as long as you deliver what they want, and if they asked for DVD, they shouldn't complain about quality/resolution or any other technical issue.
    Agreed, BUT: Your job as a "professional" would be talk them into the BEST option. If it technically possible for them, give them a BD, or even some nice ProRes HQ (or the Windows equivalent) file. After all, the client comes to you assuming you know what you are doing

    That doesn't mean that a DVD is not suitable for projection though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drapeama View Post
    I don't know what's the actual resolution of a 35mm projector
    The resolution of a slow, low-grain 35mm color negative is equivalent to about 6000 pixels over the image width.

    However, as soon as you print that to an intermediate and then to a projection print, you lose almost 50% of the resolution.

    In a best case scenario, you can get about 3500-4000 pixel resolution from a projected 35mm film print.

    Guess why the industry is aiming for 4K digital cameras and projection systems?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    The resolution of a slow, low-grain 35mm color negative is equivalent to about 6000 pixels over the image width.
    That's enough resolution! But that's native resolution though, so if you're not shooting directly on film, there's no need to "print" to film after, right? Would be basically like upscaling SD to HD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drapeama View Post
    there's no need to "print" to film after, right?
    Well, all theaters don't yet have digital projectors...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    Well, all theaters don't yet have digital projectors...
    I know that, but I wasn't talking about projectors, but rather "the film look" aspect. If it's not being captured on film, then it won't look more like it's been. That's more what I meant.
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    When yo print back to tape since the tape is just an hour capacity on hdv does the footage have to be just at an hour or less or can you record for over that period how does that workflow go?

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    You'll have to split up your project.
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