Vegas MS HD Platinum 11 MTS: Creating intermediates to go to Vegas 7 pro?
I got to some test shooting with my recently purchased (used) HF100
and discovered Vegas 7 pro doesn't read .MTS
... so I'm thinking Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 11 might be the quick and cheap answer.
Will Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 11 allow me to use MTS on it's timeline and then render that
to .avi with Lagarith so that I can use the footage in Vegas 7 pro?
Thanks!
Steve
Why not using Khaver's Batch Intermediate Utility?Originally Posted by Steve_Karl
Try Matrox Intermediate Codec instead, the quality is great, it's free, in .avi too but it doesn't require as much space as Lagrtith do.
Thanks drapeama
I'll have a look at these.
Ouch my brain!
Back to the original question:
Will Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 11 allow me to use MTS on it's timeline?
How about Vegas 11 Pro?
Thanks!
Update:
I downloaded the demos and will test both tonight.
Last edited by Steve_Karl; 2012 May 15th at 18:17.
1) I'm pretty sure it will (never tried). But as I said, you can always convert the videos. Maybe tsMuxer would do the job, load, save as .m2ts and remux. Done.
2) I'm still using Vegas 8.0 and when I tried Vegas 11, I haven't noticed a major difference, even the x64 version.
tsMuxer doesn't support MTS as an input format.
I tried both Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 11 and Vegas Pro 11 64bit.
Movie Studio = not enough options or control of the render.
Pro 11 = a big downgrade in performance compared to 7 pro.
Loading a big project that is in progress in 7 pro into 11 and it doesn't even play in time with the audio.
In 7 audio and video play together, in time and with better visual quality.
Also 11 pro can't see my audio plugins. It says they're not installed.
If someone gave me 11 pro 64 as a gift, I'd leave the box sealed and sell it on eBay immediately!
I guess it's time to bite the bullet and learn avisynth etc.
1) I was under the impression it would...sorry then.
2) Because it needs x64 plugins, which are not usually as popular as the regular x86 plugins.
3) Your best bet. You can do virtually everything with that, for free.
Ahh yes on the plugins. I should have guessed.
So I'm making some progress on understanding and using VDub-BIC.exe but have hit a few snags.
Using the ffdshow codec, I get only audio when opening it with Vegas,
but the thumbnail shows like the attachment and also Windows Media Player shows like the attachment.
Using the Lagarith codec, video and audio both show in Vegas, again,
the thumbnail shows like the attachment and also Windows Media Player shows like the attachment.
Source MTS files are pf24 so I'm guessing and using the 24p template called "IVTC-24p.avs"
I'll be back at it tomorrow.
Last edited by Steve_Karl; 2012 May 16th at 02:15.
No change. Still the same problems after many attempts.
Guessing on what I know from what I know. Any 64bit version editing software should handle your footage. Especially since Sony co-developed the format. Also keep in mind that any conversion will reduce quality.
I'm mainly using Vegas Pro 10. It handles .mts without problems. Since .mts basically is AVCHD, you need a powerful computer to handle it smoothly. Some consumer targeted applications seem to have found ways to deal effectively and easily with AVCHD on slower machines. You could for example consider current versions of Power Director or Serif MoviePlus - unfortunately the Movieplus trial doesn't provide an AVCHD codec, if you like the interface and believe the ads you'd have to buy it, costs around the same as VS.
Krane:
Both versions of Vegas that are 32bit also handle .mts.
I rendered out of both using Lagarith which is a lossless codec.
If you have information showing that using Lagarith will degrade quality then I'd love to see it.
Rainer:
I've got an i7 2600K so no problems with power.
Worst case, if I can't get any help with VDub-BIC.exe,
I'll buy Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 11 since there's no learning curve there for me.
I did do a bit more exploring in it today and found that if I write a rendering template in Vegas 7 pro,
then I can use that same temple in MSP11 since it finds my templates.
I rendered out of movie studio and the result was great when seeing it in Vegas 7 Pro.
It would just be great to no have to spend the money and use VDub-BIC.exe.
Steve, you want to convert your .mts files to SD so you can use them in VP7, right? Do your .mts files play with Windows Media Player ? If so you can convert them with NCH Software's Prism Video File Converter (free and easy to use). Set the Output to .avi and the Encoder Options to something VP7 can handle, like DV. If your files don't play in WMP you'll need another codec and you'll get a prompt from Prism for where to get it.
No SD.
Yes they play in WMP11.
Vegas pro 7 is doing fine with HD from my hv40 and can probably handle more of a strain than 11 can.
I've no problem running full uncompressed 1920x1080 .avi in 7.
I'm pretty sure 7 is more efficient than 11 and can carry a heavier load on the same PC.
I just need to get MTS into a usable HD format that can load in 7.
Prism doesn't do MTS.
http://www.nchsoftware.com/prism/kb/1217.html
Last edited by Steve_Karl; 2012 May 17th at 12:19.
Check this out!
Re wrapping MTS to mp4 ( not transcoding ... just rewrapping )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KaSCAmvq5w
I'll be trying this as soon as I get home tonight.
and ...
re wrapping MTS to mov
http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/3...=1#post2103835
Update:
re wrap to mov - Tested good!
Will try to mp4 later.
Last edited by Steve_Karl; 2012 May 17th at 15:17.
Correction:
re wrap to mov
only plays well in Window Media Player not in Vegas 7.
They don't say it won't do it, just left it off their table: .mts is wrapped mp4. If it plays in WMP, Prism will convert it. Your problem probably is with mp4, which I don't think VP7 can handle. HDV from your HV40 is mp2.
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Vegas 7 Renders to .mp4 and also can start a project from .mp4 and also use mp4 on the time line with no problems.
Captured HD video from the HV 40 is 1440x1080 .m2t
My apologies - I wasn't sure and Vegas 7 was a long time ago. I started using Vegas at version 8 but I do recall .mp4 wasn't smooth sailing even then. For some footage you had to have the right version of Quicktime installed for Vegas to open it. There's probably more universal codecs around now.
Prism:
Same results as this
http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?2...l=1#post441092
... but with a file size 100 times the size of the original MTS.
Problem Solved
I bought Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 11
Last edited by Steve_Karl; 2012 May 18th at 13:48.
My caveat was to converting video from one format to another. Lossless codec is something altogether difference since few cameras produce it and I don't know of a system that can handle it.
I have no problem working with uncompressed 1920x1080 here on an i7 2600k or even on my old system which was a single core AMD 3000+.
The only problem is that they're very large files and take up a lot of drive space.
They certainly do. Which is why people working with AVCHD often use proxies or intermediates or convert to the render format where this is lower res or can be smart rendered. Like everyone else operating below hex core quad Xeons, you still are going to have issues in VSP11 if you have multiple tracks or try to do anything slightly more complicated with .mts files (which are AVCHD, mp4). For intermediates, people commonly use Cinescore, which costs (although there now is a free version available with fewer options), or Avid's free DNxHD, or the Matrox MPEG-2 I-frame (free) which is my preferred inter codec. You do lose quality with any of these intermediates, but basically not so that you'd notice on one or two renders. I suggested the Prism converter because I thought you'd find it easier to use than Khaver's (which has more features); choose the same options, it does exactly the same type of conversion. Good luck with your videos, looking forward to seeing them.
I don't your Windows codecs, but in ProRes you can go through five or six transcoding generations before any visible degradation comes up.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
ProRes encoding (and decoding) is available via ffmpeg, works great on Windows, is a lot faster than Apple's OS X encoder, but generally is considered not as good as some of the other options.
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