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    Boy, is time running that fast? I remember working with that thing as it was yesterday (and the Amigas are still in storage somewhere).





    That thing was the top of the crop in "affordable" digital editing.
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    looking at this thread without going through a proxy makes it look like the attached image.

    There's a few old threads where the video has been removed and without SOME description, the whole thread becomes pretty much useless.
    There IS a reason -after all- why i ask for some description....

    Sorry, cgbier....didn't mean to give you hard time....I assume it's about Amiga, and maybe Toaster?


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    I assume it's about Amiga, and maybe Toaster?
    Yes, Newtek Video Toaster and Kiki Stockhammer (the fondest memory)

    Sorry!
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    What you call a grumpy German? - Sour Kraut

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    CGI in 1971:

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    I remember when I first started editing. I was using a Pentium IV! Gaaaahhh! My nonlinear editing software only supported a 4:3 aspect ratio! The horror!
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    Pioneer work, for sure.

    A few years later (1978, IIRC), I was doing similar stuff with:

    - a Radio Shack TRS-80 (a Z80 8-bit processor, running at 1.78 MHz - not GHz!, 16 KB RAM - not MB or GB! Cassette tape storage, added two 400 KB 5" floppy disks later...)
    - a digitizing pad (the mouse had a big copper-wire coil in front and a single button)
    - a X-Y plotter drawing straight onto the animation cels!

    I was one of the first computer animation pioneers in Finland - the stuff was good enough for TV commercials... does anybody want to see that old stuff?


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    does anybody want to see that old stuff?
    You can ask questions.... of course!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    Pioneer work, for sure.

    A few years later (1978, IIRC), I was doing similar stuff with:

    - a Radio Shack TRS-80 (a Z80 8-bit processor, running at 1.78 MHz - not GHz!, 16 KB RAM - not MB or GB! Cassette tape storage, added two 400 KB 5" floppy disks later...)
    - a digitizing pad (the mouse had a big copper-wire coil in front and a single button)
    - a X-Y plotter drawing straight onto the animation cels!
    I bet that beast was hard to start on a cold morning!

    I was one of the first computer animation pioneers in Finland - the stuff was good enough for TV commercials... does anybody want to see that old stuff?
    Yes, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krute View Post
    I bet that beast was hard to start on a cold morning!
    Heehehe,, a crank handle comes in handy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    .. does anybody want to see that old stuff?
    EXCUSE ME!!! We would now be INSULTED if you didn't show us!!!

    Please, please,please,please,please,please,please,please,p lease,please,please,.....

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    OK, coming up...

    Spent 5 minutes editing in iMovie (why shoot gnats with an elephant gun? ) from some 30 minutes of archived stuff, 3 more minutes for coding to h.264, then 15 minutes uploading to Youtube...

    2.5 minutes of 1980s and 1990s animation, here's some data:

    "Oil burner" from 1984 - TRS-80+plotter directly onto cels, then hand painted. 500+ co-ordinate points, a lot of trigonometry in BASIC language. Slow, 20 minutes per frame!

    "Digital* TV", also 1984 - actually simpler than the previous (except for the "comet" slit-scan effect, shot on my TRS-80 controlled Multiplane). Consists of 30 different elements plotted on paper, and combined onto film with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Opticalprinter.jpg ( *=probably had one digital IC in the circuit... )

    "Disney Book Club" and "Goofy Band-Aid" - two ads where I animated Disney characters (with license!) - they had to be approved by the Disney Co...

    "Clay Chicken" - took me a week of shooting with an Arriflex & home-made single-frame motor...

    "Windshield fluid" - fun project! Animated with felt-point pens on paper.

    "Raid" - a Finnish version of the flying pest first animated in the 1960s by the legendary Tex Avery.

    "1.5 % milk" - my only bovine animation to classical music...

    Enjoy:



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    Janke,

    Did you save much time over the traditional methods of animation - or was it more the "geek" factor that drew you to computer aided animation? (see what I did there?)

    PJ
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    Both - in fact, those two computer animated ads would have been well nigh impossible to animate by hand...

    Sure, I'm a geek, always been - see a few things that I've built, here: http://www.saunalahti.fi/animato/stand/stand.html

    - and my "general" animation pages here: http://www.saunalahti.fi/animato/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    Both - in fact, those two computer animated ads would have been well nigh impossible to animate by hand...

    Sure, I'm a geek, always been - see a few things that I've built, here: http://www.saunalahti.fi/animato/stand/stand.html

    - and my "general" animation pages here: http://www.saunalahti.fi/animato/
    Yep - I checked those out when you posted them before, I enjoyed browsing the site again. I think if HV20 had a DYI-Hall of Fame, you'd be at the top of the list as the first inductee - "Necessity is the mother of invention"

    My only attempt at animation was some stop-frame with an old 8mm camera hooked up with a shutter-release cable. I used the setup to animate Scrabble tiles on the game board, not the best results and the camera died shortly after, so I never went back to it (about 35 years ago).
    The horror.... the horror....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuluws View Post
    "Necessity is the mother of invention"
    Nah, you got it the wrong way around:



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    You gotta love that Calvin!!! (and Hobbes too, of course)
    The horror.... the horror....

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    Yes, fond memories there, too - originally ran in our local newspaper, now in third reruns... my absolutely fav cartoon strip! Bill Watterson is a genius, pity he stopped drawing C&H.


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    I have my own Calvin at home....

    Janke, them clips are great. When you think how easy this stuff is done nowadays with a computer...

    Sometimes I miss the soul in it though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    Bill Watterson is a genius, pity he stopped drawing C&H.
    Yes, indeed. C&H is sometimes profound, often witty, and always funny.

    Tuluws is right, Mister J. If we had a Hall of Fame, whether it was for DIY or just all-round talent, you'd be Numero Uno.

    I loved the compilation of your work. There's no way the average TV viewer would guess how much expertise was required to create those animations. And that's the whole idea, isn't it. But those "in the know" definitely would!

    You've animated Disney characters under licence. I knew this already, but you've reminded me.... Mister J, you realise that makes you the closest thing to a legend that this site has, don't you?

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    Aaaaw, shucks...

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    I reckon Bill Watersson's drawing style is a bit similar to Fred Moore's. He gets the same three-dimensional look that Moore could get, with very few lines, perfectly drafted. He'd probably have made a good architect if he hadn't been a cartoonist. He has an eye for depth and shape.

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    movie magic for dos. sigh....

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    Moviola.
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    Among my files, I found a longer compilation of some of my old TV ads (a few are duplicates of some in the previous compilation, sorry' bout that...)

    If you're curious, here you go, a mixed bag of stuff from 1975 to 2009:



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