"Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space."
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18996377
"Windows 8 is a catastrophe for everyone in the PC space."
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18996377
I wouldn't be surprised if this is the beginning of the end for microsoft. As I've said before, the 'jack of all trades' approach with windows 8 is unlikely to please the PC or mobile device makers, let alone the consumer.Originally Posted by Janke
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You need to put this in context. This is the owner of Valve, a company that makes games and sells them through their online service called steam.
You can't play Valve games without a connection to the internet, even single player, because you need steam to verify if the game is legit.
Windows 8 is possibly doing something like the Apple App store. If you want to use Windows 8, you gotta go through microsoft and their download system, which cuts out steam. Just like if you want to sell an App for Iphone, you gotta go through Apple.
Of course this guy is upset with Windows 8. It could do major damage to his business.
When he says the "everyone in the PC space" he means everyone making games to play on windows.
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
According to the article:
"On some versions of Windows 8, it will be the only way to get downloadable software such as games.
Microsoft takes a cut, up to 30%, of every sale made through this store."
So it isn't just games. True that the AppStore is the only way to buy iOS apps, but that's not the case for OSX.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Valve makes games, that's thie primary concern. Most games don't play on OSx, so Valve isn't really concerned with what Apple is doing.
The information is coming from someone that created Steam, something what would never work in the Apple ecosystem. He now fears Windows may become like Apples AppStore. Has to be approved by Apple, Apple gets a cut before you download.
Is Windows going to make you download the latest copy of Avid or Adobe Premiere through a Windows AppStore, and force those companies to pay Microsoft a 30% cut, or deny Windows users access to those NLE's?
I'd have to see some more evidence of this than the opinion of a game developer concerned about his Steam game delivery system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct2Drive
D2D is also a competitor for Steam.
http://www.1up.com/news/crysis-2-pulled-from-steam-ea-says-valve-to-blame
That's a dispute between EA games and Valve over distribution of Crysis 2.
Here's a dispute from 2009 between Valve and D2D:
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=25944
This is about online game distribution and Valve is very protective of their delivery system. Obviously they will not be happy if Windows becomes another competitor. I'd take what Valve says with a grain of salt. Valve is not an unbiased observer.
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
Forget about games, it's not the point. It's about downloading any software!
Believers are always telling me that you can download and install all kinds of things to make windows useful, especially when I point out the wealth of features which run out of the box with OS X. If windows 8 limits your options to only the apps available from the windows app store, this will no longer be the case. Are you alright with that, Gillvane? I certainly wouldn't be.
Oh and it turns out that microsoft is trying to stop dual boot OSs with windows 8. Just a rumor but microsoft isn't commenting on this.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Gilvane,
1.) there is Steam for OS X - http://store.steampowered.com/browse/mac
2.) the AppStore is NOT the only way to get OS X apps.
3.) the AppStore is not even the only way to get iOS apps.
4.) aren't you defending capitalism all the time, so what is wrong if I take a cut from a developer if I provide the infrastructure for his business?
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Windows 8 launches in October, yet the very people microsoft relies on for its ecosystem are getting pissed off even now. Dell, HP et al over the surface and now the game developers. What next? The fun has only just started.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Welcome to Internet Explorer. Never mind, I'm sure microsoft will provide a solution (at a price), through its App store, to get rid of all those viruses you'll be infected with.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
It's not about games?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know Valve only sells games on Steam. you can't use Steam to purchase Adobe Premiere, Photoshop, Avid, music production software, After Effects, anything except games.
Last edited by Gillvane; 2012 July 27th at 15:40.
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
There's a lot of accessories for the Ipad, like cases, keyboards, and stuff like that. Here's an example:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/ZAGG+-+F...&skuId=4911741
It's made by ZAGG, not Apple. You're basically saying since Apple provided the infrastructure, they should just be able to take some of ZAGG's profits for the accessory.
I don't know of any sort of capitalism that works like that. Crony capitalism maybe, where some quasi dictator decides who makes a profit?
Like if you make a lens adapter for Canon lenses, Canon gets to just take some of your profits because without those Canon lenses you wouldn't' have a product?
It doesn't sound like you understand even the basic principles of capitalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
Jailbreaking
Main article: iOS jailbreaking
Ever since its initial release, iOS has been subject to a variety of different hacks centered around adding functionality not allowed by Apple. Prior to the 2008 debut of the native iOS App Store, the primary motive for jailbreaking was to install third-party native applications, which was not allowed by Apple at the time.[42] Apple claimed that it will not release iOS software updates designed specifically to break these tools (other than applications that perform SIM unlocking); however, with each subsequent iOS update, previously un-patched jailbreak exploits are usually patched.[43]
In 2010, the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) successfully convinced the U.S. Copyright Office to reject Apple's claim that jailbreaking is in violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) and declare that iOS jailbreaking is legal in the United States.[45]
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
Funny, I have software on my iPad that wasn't coming from the AppStore, and there was no jail breaking involved.
...and we are taking about software here. what has Zacuto to do with that?
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Err, retail?
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?4...l=1#post446470
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
http://store.steampowered.com/
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?4...l=1#post446470
Last edited by HueyNRolf; 2012 July 28th at 12:00.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I wouldn't believe a single word out of this guy's mouth. Not only is the article void of any serious fact, but I would suggest He's merely doing a bit of advertizing for what may be the beginning of a Valve/Linux partnership.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...pfnudeln&num=2Valve and Gabe Newell's interest in Linux goes beyond what would be expected of any normal game company, but Valve is certainly a unique beast. Listening to Gabe Newell talk about Linux for hours made me wonder whether he was a former ex-Microsoft employee (where he actually did work in his pre-Valve days in the 90's) or the director of the Linux Foundation.
Get the Samsung and forget the iphone!
Get used to it, there's a chance that a lot more of microsoft's business partners will go down that road. Windows 8 promises to be all things to all people, which is fine in theory, but if it fails as it will, most likely, in the mobile device market. The PC OEMs will be looking for a new OS. This seems like an opportunity for a new player to step up. Could even be Google. Of course, the PC market is a dying planet, but there's still money to be made over the slow decline stage.
Meanwhile we should see Ballmer go:
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Now, if only Apple will allow us to install their OS and software on other hardware saving us, the consumers, a massive profit overhead.
As Apple is a hardware "producer", I wouldn't bet the farm on it. They got burnt with that once.
You still can build a Hackintosh though. As long as nobody tries to make money out of it, it is tolerated by Apple.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
I know. But wouldn't it be great? Democratic even? Put your OS+Software packages on sale at a price at which, if I choose, I could build my own computer at a price competitive to the Mac Pro.
Updating becomes an issue though, as can hardware conflicts. It'd be nice for Apple to be mature enough to realise people want choice in hardware configurations - my naive 10c worth.
I'm sure you know why that won't happen, Doc. It's a little bit like asking why microsoft doesn't give its software away for free. But I don't see why someone hasn't built a modern-Unix based OS aimed at the PC market? Maybe now is the time.
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One reason why people buy Apple is because there are NO hardware configuration choices. It is also one of my reasons. When I think about how much time I wasted tinkering with hardware when I still built my PC myself..... Now, all I have to do is to wait for the post man and know why I ordered runs perfectly out of the box (I know that also works with a Dell, but Dell has ugly boxes and Windows).
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There are plenty out there from Oracle to HP. The problem is that the average computer user is to illiterate or lazy to get used to a different system. If Windows works for them, why should they change?
The same holds true for most sys admins btw.
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