Originally Posted by HueyNRolf
You keep changing your numbers. Maybe you want to suggest a $250 machine in the next few posts?
You keep changing your numbers. Maybe you want to suggest a $250 machine in the next few posts?
Autodesk could no longer ignore Mac’s comeback, Mr. Hanspal said.
The Mac accounted for nearly 10 percent of all PCs sold around the world in the first quarter, according to Gartner, or more than double its share just a few years ago. In the most recent quarter, Apple sold nearly 3.5 million Mac computers, a 33 percent increase from the same quarter a year earlier. That rate of growth far exceeded the overall PC market.
In a news release, Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president for worldwide product marketing, said his company was thrilled that Autodesk was bringing AutoCAD back to the Mac. “We think it’s the perfect combination for millions of design and engineering professionals,” he said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/te..._r=2&src=busln
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
It is $500. That's what the average consumer pays for a windows PC. Sure enough, I'm sure there's a $250 machine at the bottom.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I could be wrong, but I think that's a function of the fact that there are almost no sub 1,000 dollar Macs.
The only one I know of is the Mac mini.
So that statistic is another way of saying 91% of Mac users are Mac Users.
Or 91% of Mac users don't use the Mac Mini.
Specs for autocad are relatively low. Definitely a sub 1K windows machine:
Microsoft® Windows® 7 Enterprise, Ultimate, Professional, or Home Premium (compare Windows 7 versions) or Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional or Home edition (SP3 or later)
For Windows 7: Intel® Pentium® 4 or AMD Athlon™ dual-core processor, 3.0 GHz or higher with SSE2 technology
For Windows XP: Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon dual-core processor, 1.6 GHz or higher with SSE2 technology
2 GB RAM (4 GB recommended)
6 GB free disk space for installation
1,024 x 768 display resolution with true color (1,600 x 1,050 with true color recommended)
Microsoft® Internet Explorer® 7.0 or later web browser
Install from download or DVD
Most of the PC's over a 1,000 bucks are pimped out for gaming with dual GPU's.
Last edited by Gillvane; 2012 March 29th at 09:10.
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
Or that windows PCs can't compete in this market?
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Ah come on, man. Do you think that a professional would settled for 'minimum requirements'. These guys make their living using this gear and time is money. You're pushing the envelope if you think they'd use a sub-$1,000 PC.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I'd say majority of PC in this price segment are either home brewed or getting into the work station, like Boxx or HP Z600/800, segment.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
No, windows can't compete in the market of people that want a Mac. Macs cost over a thousand bucks, PCs with similar specs don't cost a thousand bucks.
So yea, 91% of people that want a Mac are going to spend over a thousand bucks. People that want a PC don't have to.
SYX Ascent MXi7 Desktop PC - Intel® Core™ i7 2600 3.40 GHz, Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium 64 Bit, 8GB DDR3, 2TB HDD, Blu-Ray, Intel HD Graphics 2000, Wireless, 24x7 U.S. Based Support & Warranty
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...156&CatId=2627
Do you really need a lot more power than that? It's less than a thousand bucks.
Can you show me a Mac with those specs for less than a thousand bucks?
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
How much would your Tiger Direct (link doesn't work) cost with a 27" ISP screen?
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Are you done?
So let me ask once again...
Have you got anything to actually back up that outrages and laughable claim?
http://www.cadtutor.net/forum/showth...top-on-the-wayBudget laptop on the way
Well the boss (the wife) let me order a new laptop. Ours is about to finally die. Did not want to spend a whole lot so I ordered a Dell Inspiron15 from the Dell outlet.
Specs:
AMD AthlonII dual-core 2.3Ghz
4gb ram
320gb hdd
8x DVD-RW
ATI HD4250
Here's one in the other direction... a bit of a beast... and home built which would not be included in your (inaccurate) analogy.
http://www.cadtutor.net/forum/showth...ew-CAD-StationSo here it is:
1. Dell Precision T5500 Workstation
2. Dual Quad Core Processor, E5620, 2.40GHz, 12M, 5.86GT/s Dell Precision T5500
3. 4GB DDR3 ECC SDRAM Memory, 1333MHz, 4X1GB Dell Precision TX500
4. Dell, USB Quiet Keyboard, No Hot Keys, PWS, Black
5. Dual 1GB PCIe x 16 NVDIA Quadro FX 3800, Quad Monitor, DVI + 2DP, Dell Precision TX500
6. 500GB SATA 3.0GB/s with NCQ and 16MB DataBurst Cache, Dell Precision TX500
7. 500GB SATA 3.0GB/s with NCQ and 16MB DataBurst Cache, Dell Precision TX500
8. C2 All SATA or SSD Hard Drives, Non-RAID for 2 Hard Drives, Dell Precision T5500
9. No Flopp Drive, Dell Precision
10. Windows 7 Pofessional Downgrade to XP Professional SP3, No Media, Fixed Precision, English
11. Dell Backup and Recovery Manager for WinXP, MUI, Latitude, Precision, OptiPlex, Vostro
12. Windows 7 Downgrade RLOB
13. Dell USB 2 Button Optical Mouse with Scroll, Black Precision
14. Mini-Tower Chassis Configuration, Dell Precision T3400,T5500
15. 16X DVD+/-RW Data only Dell Precision TX500
16. Cyberlink Power DVD 8.3, No Media, Dell Relationship LOB
17. Roxio Creator Dell Edition 10.3, No Media, Dell RLOB
18. No Speaker Option
19. Precision T5500 Power Supply, C2
20. Documentation, English, Dell Precision
21. Power Cord, 125V, 2M C13, Dell Precision
22. Integrated Intel Chipst SATA 3.0GB/s Controller, Dell Precision T3500,T5500
23. No Resource CD for Dell Optiplex, Precision and Latitude
24. Shipping Material for System Dell Precision T5500
25. Dell Hardware Limited Warranty Plus Onsite Service Initial Year
26. Dell ProSupport
27. ProSupport for End Users 7x24 Technical Support and Assistance for End Users, Initial
28. ProSupport for End Users 7x24 Technical Support and Assistance for End Users, 2 Year Extended
29. Resource DVD contains Diagnotics and Drivers for Dell Precision T5500
30. Quick Reference Guide, Dell Precision T5500
31. Trend Micro Internet Security, English, 30 Day Trial
32. Special Pricing Applied
This system was over $5000.00 before discounts.
Oh and your claim that 91% of autocad users would be mac users.... If I go to the official autodesk forums, I can only find one MAC subforum with a measly 3977 posts
http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/AutoCAD/ct-p/8
Maybe you can show me where all these mac/autocad users are hiding?
Too funny!
This from the moderator at cadtutor.net:
http://www.cadtutor.net/forum/forumd...ge2&order=descNope not true, they both run the exact same if the specs are similar, the Mac will just cost more
As for the specs be careful, look at say a new Macbook Air, they come with Intel graphics. These are no goes for AutoCAD, maybe OK for LT but not for the full version. They also start at $999 for the 11.6" unit. Now look at say a Dell XPS 15z which has a larger screen, faster core i5, 3 times the ram, larger hdd, dedicated 1 gb nVidia GT525 graphics and $100 less. The dell is also $300 less than the 13" Mac Book Pro and still better spec'ed (the 13" MBP has an Intel graphics card like the air). To get a mac book with a dedicated graphics card you spend $1,800 USD.
Just throwing out some stats.
It doesn't sound to me like he understands that mac owns the autocad world... you should email him Hue and straighten him out!
AutoCad for the Mac was released in October 2010. People who invested heavily in hardware before that, won't be ready to change. Or it could be that the average AutoCad user is likely to need other software that is windows only. Who knows?
If this small market is out of whack with the whole $1,000 plus segment it will be included in the statistic. So it doesn't change anything.
Last edited by HueyNRolf; 2012 March 29th at 20:57.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Foxconn promises to fix a multitude of violations found by FLA audit
"A Fair Labor Association audit of working conditions at Apple supplier Foxconn's plants has revealed a number of violations, but the Chinese company has reportedly vowed to rectify the situation."
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...fla_audit.html
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
That's hilarious. You can tell this is coming from Apple insider;
How about we re-word that the way it actually was; 'Apple FINALLY caved and its hand was forced to act amongst growing public pressure.....'Apple first joined forces with the FLA in January....
Anyway... back to your outrageous claim; If you say that Apple owns the PC market above $1000 and people don't run autocad on anything less than a $1000 machinethen that must mean most of the autocad industry is mac based
WHERE'S YOUR PROOF???
Last edited by Bob Sanders; 2012 March 29th at 22:28.
Well the fact is that the FLA has published the report:
http://www.fairlabor.org/report/foxc...igation-report
I doubt you'll bother to read it, but it is published. Either way, you're entitled to your opinion.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
More of your lies. I didn't claim that to be the case. What I wrote was:
Anyway... back to your outrageous claim; If you say that Apple owns the PC market above $1000 and people don't run autocad on anything less than a $1000 machine
WHERE'S YOUR PROOF???
"I think it's reasonable to assume that people forking over $4,000 for Auto Cad wouldn't be running it on a sub-$1,000 machine."
So no I can't prove it and I clearly presented it as a 'reasonable assumption.'
Anyway, AutoCad users are a tiny slice of the market so it makes little or no difference.
Last edited by HueyNRolf; 2012 March 29th at 23:44.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I've been using AutoCAD on an HP Vectra. That machine was a bit more than $1k
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Decline In Global PC Sales Could Mean Lower Profits For Microsoft
"SEATTLE (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp is starting the new year much as it did the one just ended - grappling with weak computer sales tearing a hole in its core Windows business, while it gropes its way slowly into the faster-growing mobile phone and tablet markets."
"Some industry watchers forecast that machines running Windows 8 will not be on sale until early 2013, by which time Apple Inc's iPad will have almost three years' head start."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1208163.html
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Did I not say above that this would happen?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1208163.html[/QUOTE]Chief Executive Steve Ballmer was very visible at CES, jumping from one place to the next promoting phones that use the latest Windows software. Nokia's Lumia 900 looked slick and attracted a lot of attention.
Correct. That's what you said. But then in another statement you said Apple has 91% market share of the machines above $1000. Now if you put those 2 statements together then the only conclusion you can come to is that somewhere around 91% of autocad users are mac users.
Obviously and CLEARLY this is untrue so one of your statements is wrong. Which one is it?
It makes a big difference. The autocad industry (as many others) can not go replace their work stations with tablets. They can use them in the field for quick, down and dirty data input. They can use them in the field for short, fast projects, but there is no way in the world they can replace their workstations with tablets.
That's just one industry and one program.
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Big F'n deal. Ballmer can jump around as much as likes. How will that increase market share?
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I supported the 91% claim and made clear that this translated into the AutoCad-users market as a reasonable assumption. Then you lied by saying that I was claiming that all of it was true.
Oh and I must've missed the bit where you proved that it is "clearly and obviously untrue."
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I guess you missed the part where "Nokia's Lumia 900 looked slick and attracted a lot of attention."
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