So, relatively speaking, you were pretty much in the same wage vs. cost position (percentage-wise, mind you!) as the Chinese, right?Originally Posted by Bob Sanders
So, what's your agenda, then? Just Apple-hate?
So, relatively speaking, you were pretty much in the same wage vs. cost position (percentage-wise, mind you!) as the Chinese, right?
So, what's your agenda, then? Just Apple-hate?
Apple DIDN'T respond for a long time... and when they did they did things like phoned ABC news.
Who are they kidding??? They're just like every other company. They don't want to do anything about this. The PRIMARY reason why Apple is in China (as are other companies) is to manufacture their product as cheaply as possible. Apple is using all of this, not to help the Chinese, but to put on a show for the American public.
That was probably about 30 years ago now.
Not quite.... I ddin't work 12 hours a day 6 days a week... one of the reasons the chinese APPEAR to be making so much relative to their cost of living.
Do I need an agenda? What's yours? You asked a question and I answered.
So should Apple subsidize the wages of EVERY Foxconn worker or only those working on Apple lines? What about the workers in every other Chinese factory?
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Switching to iPads saves Vancouver City Council 50K pages a year
"Apple could see increased adoption of its touchscreen tablet as a printing replacement with the release of its next-generation iPad later this month. The third-generation iPad is expected to have an double-resolution display that will make reading on the device easier. The new iPad could see rapid adoption among industries such as aviation and medicine where the increased resolution would drastically improve utility."
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...es_a_year.html
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Hell, I was considering buying one for use in classroom for admin. (real time grading), note taking and AV presentations. Went cold on the idea though.
Why would it do that? As stated SEVERAL times now, the entire idea of being in China is the cheap wage. It's got nothing to do with the welfare of the Chinese worker.
The previous ceo (Jobs) did his best to simply ignore the issue... like all the other companies down there. This new ceo however is clearly willing to pay a few bucks in an attempt to put on a good show. If he goes too far with it however, he'll not only piss off the stock holders, but he'll put Apple into the position where they might as well move back to the USA since China won't be that much of a savings anymore.
I'll tell you what though... if Apple was REALLY interested in helping.... it could always do something like this;
http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Pages/home.aspx
But you said that Apple could easily 'fix things.' I'm merely asking how?
As a consumer of cheaply-produced products. You're putting on a show of pious double standards.
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no... I said Apple could easily fix things IF it REALLY wanted to.
You haven't answered the question. How could it easily fix things?
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Apple highlights creation of 514,000 jobs in America
"Apple on Friday updated its website with a new section touting the company's role in directly creating or supporting more than a half-million jobs in the U.S."
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...n_america.html
http://www.apple.com/about/job-creation/
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LOL! And the dog/pony show continues!
Apple is an American company... what's so special about hiring Americans??? Gawd.. this is just laughable.
Is there ANY doubt in your mind now that this a huge tv show they're putting on??
Last edited by Bob Sanders; 2012 March 3rd at 01:38.
Come on. That's really a dumb question. Everybody knows the root of the problems down there are the stupidly low wages. Why do you think people are working 12 hour days??
Apple could instantly fix this up by increasing wages... at least to the point where they could get away with 8 hour days. That's of course if Apple REALLY was interested in tackling the issues at foxconn.... which they are not. The thing about this though is that wages could be increased the way every other company increases wages.... without ABC news being called and attending
Apple is a customer of Foxconn, not the owner. How should Apple bring about a change in employee conditions?Come on. That's really a dumb question. Everybody knows the root of the problems down there are the stupidly low wages. Why do you think people are working 12 hour days??
Apple could instantly fix this up by increasing wages... at least to the point where they could get away with 8 hour days. That's of course if Apple REALLY was interested in tackling the issues at foxconn.... which they are not. The thing about this though is that wages could be increased the way every other company increases wages.... without ABC news being called and attending
If it's easily done, you shouldn't be having these difficulties in explaining it. It's NOT a dumb question, your attempts at explaining your position is what's dumb.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/22/28...conn-factoriesFoxconn executive Louis Woo said that he would actually like it if Apple demanded that the company double the pay of factory employees. Your move, Apple.
LOL!
My guess is that Apple has backed itself into a corner and is now scrambling to take the spotlight off of foxconn... with this;
I hat to say it but your new ceo isn't looking like a very smart one!"Apple on Friday updated its website with a new section touting the company's role in directly creating or supporting more than a half-million jobs in the U.S."
Yes I know, I watched the ABC video. But my question still remains; should Apple supplement the wages of all Foxconn employees, or just the ones working on Apple lines?
It's a simple question.
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No one single person/company/entity can be the entire world's social worker. It wouldn't be fair to ask Apple to take care of any more than what foxconn employs for apple products.
And if you watched the video then why did you ask how apple should bring about changes???? (which was YOUR question) The foxconn exec's already answered in the report.
Right so, only Foxconn workers on Apple lines should receive this benefit, is that what you're saying?
Holy crap! Can't you see the problems this would cause?
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No more or less problems than in any other company. Every company has its pay scale system. Not all employees get the same wage in a given company. For example, there are four people on my team at work. We work the exact same positions but none of us have the same wage. Our pay scale varies for each position and also varies according to how long you have worked in a given position.
This is the way it works in the NORMAL world.
That's nothing like favoring those (with double pay) who do the same job on a different line. Are you really that dense ?
Come on man, think about it for just a few seconds at least.
I don't think there is a word that defines such stupidity.
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So you're saying the foxconn workers for Sony or dell or hp are piecing together ipads?? Don't be silly. They're not doing the same jobs.
Well then I guess Apple is stupid.... because they operate on a pay scale system too.I don't think there is a word that defines such stupidity.
I don't think you quite understand. The pay scale system offers goals and incentive. You get yourself in at the ground level, work hard, keep your nose clean... and soon your off to a higher level in that company with better pay. At present foxconn is a dead end which offers no movement upward.... nothing to look forward to.
Last edited by Bob Sanders; 2012 March 3rd at 02:44.
Of course it's the same job. Regardless of which product they're working on, it's monotonous factory assembly work. Do you think that the woman who de burrs the Apple logo stamp off the casting, thousands of times a day, has skills over her coworkers who perform similar tasks on the Dell or HP line? Don't be ridiculous.
Foxconn recruits thousands of people every week. Did you read the articles or watch the ABC video? The turnover is huge, there's no such thing as pay scales. I guess I was asking too much when I suggested that you think about this for a few seconds at least.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
ONCE AGAIN... my coworkers and I have the EXACT same positions and titles and preform the EXACT same duties.... but not one of us gets the same wage. The pay scale not only varies with the different potions held within the company but it also varies with seniority in a given position.
I don't think you quite understand. The pay scale system offers goals and incentive. You get yourself in at the ground level, work hard, keep your nose clean... and soon your off to a higher level in that company with better pay. At present foxconn is a dead end which offers no movement upward .... nothing to look forward to (hence the high turnover).
There would be if Apple increased the wage. (You're just pissed off because YOU didn't think about this a little more before you asked the question)there's no such thing as pay scales. I guess I was asking too much when I suggested that you think about this for a few seconds at least.
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