It did before Ballmer meddled with it. You get in your new micrsoft car and ask "where's the steering wheel?" Ballmer tells you "but you don't need one on your microsoft washing machine, we tried to make it the same to make you feel more comfortable."Originally Posted by cgbier
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Bob, as you are Ballmer's mouthpiece here: are any details known about the Windows Appstore, besides the 30% cut (which I don't think unreasonable)? How closed will it be? Will it be the only way to get Microsoft apps?
BTW: Is there any development environment available for Windows? I have been dabbling with VB years ago, but to be able to create anything meaningful with it, you had to spend (IIRC) some 1500 bucks on the Studio version.
Why should I not believe a business man who wants to expand his business? I read out this report that he's afraid that folks might jump the Windows ship, and he's preparing for their switch to LINUX. I'm not into this kind of gaming, but there have been many requests, at least from the Ubuntu community, for this Valve Steam thingie for LINUX. Running Windows software under WINE (I still have Photoshop 6 and Vegas 5 on my LINUX box) works sometimes, but not everything and every time, so it is a natural for a business to fill the demand (that's called capitalism).
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Ballmer's ring piece more like.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
That would be bad because competition is good.
I don't think we'd want to see all camera companies except one go out of business. That would certainly suck in terms of price and selection.
If they start making more PC's with Linux or some Google OS, I'm all for it as long as they keep the hardware open.
That's how we get competition between Nvidia and AMD GPUs, which is also good.
The more competition the better it is for the consumer. A dead PC market means even more expensive Macs and longer times between upgrades.
Last edited by Gillvane; 2012 July 29th at 08:42.
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
Just to clarify, by the PC market, I mean desktop/ laptops. The whole thing is on the slide. So if (or when) windows 8 bombs it will leave a gap, but it's questionable if anyone would want to invest in a shrinking market.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Gilvane, if Windows ever dies out, there's still any kind of *NIX OS to fill the gap. That is independent of hardware. You might have heard often times "I've got it here with Windows. I'll get a Mac", but many more users are switching to LINUX. No need for new hardware then.
In Europe, this switch is even easier as LINUX is better known there (a lot of the development takes place there and many municipalities run their systems with some kind of Open Source environment to save money).
The Mac is still growing in sales, but not as much as mobile devices (the killer of the PC market)
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
I am??
I use Windows because it works, because it's universally accepted, because it doesn't tie me down to select pieces of hardware that some one else thinks I should be running, and because there is no REAL alternative. How does that make me a 'Balmer mouthpiece'??
Your crystal ball is as good as mine.... which is the same one as Newell's.... and THAT'S my point. Newel for whatever reason sounds slanted, and because he has previous Microsoft ties, you and I will never know the real reasons for that slantare any details known about the Windows Appstore, besides the 30% cut (which I don't think unreasonable)? How closed will it be? Will it be the only way to get Microsoft apps?
Get the Samsung and forget the iphone!
You apparently know a lot more about Ballmer than I do. In fact, the only time I ever hear, see, or deal with him is when you mention him in these forums. To ASSUME is to make an ASS of U and ME
Get the Samsung and forget the iphone!
It cannot die without a viable alternative. Linux is a good base but is still too rough and undefined for the general public and Mac means an entire and select hardware change. Without a viable alternative, Windows could stand to lose a few of the more determined, but the vast majority will continue to use.
Get the Samsung and forget the iphone!
Of course, they will. There's no doubt about that. However, during Vista's time, MS lost a lot of users to OS X. It might happen again if Windows 8 doesn't put up to the hype. It was OS X before, now it might be LINUX.
I never understood that issue though. Who is putting a gun on someone's temple to upgrade to a new system. Especially, if you look at Microsoft's pricing. Our office still runs perfectly with XP.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
HUH??
Get the Samsung and forget the iphone!
Five ways to skip Windows 8
"I've been working with Windows 8 for months. Even after Microsoft dished out the release candidate to application developers, I'm still finding Windows 8 to be the worst Windows version to date.
Yes, worse than Vista, worse than Windows Millennium Edition (Me), and the only reason I'm not saying its worse than Windows Bob, is that Bob was just a user interface for Windows 95 and NT and not an operating system in and of itself."
http://www.zdnet.com/five-ways-to-sk...-8-7000001753/
Five Reasons why Windows 8 will be dead on arrival
"I know Windows 8 will be a Vista-sized fiasco."
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-sourc...-arrival/10275
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Because new PCs come with the latest OS, so the average consumer doesn't have a choice.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I think it's more of a splintering of the market, not a killing of the market.
Yes, Iphones and Androids are great, but I don't think you want to edit a movie on one of those. I know you CAN, but that doesn't mean you'd want to. And whether your want to or not, they arent' going to run After Effects. At least not yet.
Before you had to have a computer to check your email. Now you can do that on your smart phone. For people that only do email and look up movie times, nothing more than a smart phone is needed.
If Linux is easy to use and can run After Effects, Adobe Premiere, and Photoshop then sure, why not?
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
It is and it could. There are LINUX versions for everything that comes from Adobe. The video side of things is a bit neglected though.If Linux is easy to use and can run After Effects, Adobe Premiere, and Photoshop then sure, why not?
An iPad is a near replacement for a computer on day to day tasks. I only fire up my MacBook or iMac if I have heavy duty work to do. Even when I'm out in the field to hold presentations, I don't bother to take the MacBook with me - iOS Keynote and h.264 video work perfectly on the iPad. The average Joe would do fine with an iPad over a "real" computer.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
That's a very good point. Yesteryear those who needed to do simple tasks (email, surfing... etc) had no choice but to go with full fledged computers of one kind or another. Today however that choice is there for them. Quite naturally the desktop/laptop market will dip as these people make the switch.
Get the Samsung and forget the iphone!
I'm tempted to go back and quote you on this from earlier. Along the lines of "A tablet could NEVER replace a PC (desktop/ laptop.)"
But life's too short, you seem to be getting it now.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
i don't think it's a gotcha. Both are true.
You're not going to replace heavy computing with the pad. Someone doing a feature film using After Effects, Adobe Premiere, Photoshop, Resolve, and Ultra scope, some sort of sound editing package, etc. You need big storage, big screens, tons of computing power for rendering and so forth.
Although I wouldn't say "never", maybe we'll do all that on a computer that fits inside of a ring one day with hologram display, I'd say we're a ways off from doing all that on a tablet.
On the other hand, checking email, playing angry birds, and what time the move starts at the theater? Already replaced by smart phones, no tablet needed.
I still see OS becoming moot.
We will get fiber to the house and it will be fast enough to use the cloud. Your operating system will need to run a browser, that's it. Why would you care if your browser runs on Apple or Windows? It won't make any difference, the experience of Firefox or Chrome is the same on both machines .
I already use google docs. I can edit them on a Mac or a PC, a smart phone, a tablet, a friends computer, the library, doesn't matter.
With a fast enough connection, everything becomes just like that.
Google prepares high-speed Internet service in Kansas City
The tech giant says its Google Fiber service is 100 times faster than regular Internet services. It'll cost $70 a month or $120 a month bundled with cable TV.
I won't buy hard drives, I'll just rent terabytes on the cloud.
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
I didn't say that. But the volume end of the market is your average Joe. Of course nobody can observe the future, but most likely the PC market go on shrinking to a shadow of its former self.
I've had a dedicated fiber to home connection for many years and I can highly recommend it.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I didn't say that. But the volume end of the market is your average Joe. Of course nobody can observe the future, but most likely the PC market go on shrinking to a shadow of its former self.
I've had a dedicated fiber to home connection for many years and I can highly recommend it.
Just for fun try the Google Race. I wonder how accurate it is. Scroll down and see if your connection says it's as fast as Google.
https://fiber.google.com/about/
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
I did and Google said that my connection is crap, but why wouldn't it?
Speedtest says:
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Lucky you...
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With an 8 Mbps (nominal) ADSL + WLAN router...
It can't. Try some detailed and heavy video editing on a tablet. Let me know at which point you get fed up and head back to a desktop. Better yet... try playing microsoft flight simulator on a tablet..... LOL
Get the Samsung and forget the iphone!
For serious graphics and editing:
http://www.awn.com/articles/technolo...20-workstation
The system tested weighs in at $9760 - While I manage with a $1200 iMac from 2011, or $1000 Macbook from 2008...
"If you want to max the system out with 512 GB of RAM that will set you back an additional $15000 or so." - OUCH!
Last edited by Janke; 2012 August 2nd at 00:19.
I hope the Google internet is successful. I'd sure like a better ISP.
"beautiful girls are the cheapest special effect"
- Roger Corman
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