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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    Well firstly... you ARE the market (or part of it anyway).... and you have COMPLETELY contradicted yourself. You say that macs are enjoying a 33% growth and that you can't see dumping your keyboard. Does that sound like we're entering a.... "post pc era" and the desktop is "tired" and "old"???
    That's 33% year on year growth. Which makes it tiny in the grand scheme, but enough for Apple to keep making them (I hope). Sure I'm part of the market, but not the bread and butter. A small segment will want video editing and AutoCad, but that's not enough for a computer maker to survive on. If you're not in the tablet market, you're dead.

    I ask you again, is Ray Ozzie wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    That's 33% year on year growth. Which makes it tiny in the grand scheme, but enough for Apple to keep making them (I hope). Sure I'm part of the market, but not the bread and butter. A small segment will want video editing and AutoCad, but that's not enough for a computer maker to survive on. If you're not in the tablet market, you're dead.

    I ask you again, is Ray Ozzie wrong?
    The tablets are getting faster and faster CPU's.

    Will a Tablet run Photoshop CS6? Take a look at the specs. I think they're pretty close.


    http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7...photoshop-cs6/

    You probably could do some basic video editing with Photoshop CS6 right on your tablet, if not now, in the near future as cpu speeds continue to increase for tablets.

    This Tablet for example has a 2.5 ghz processor. I believe Photoshop only needs a 2 ghz processor.

    http://tablets.findthebest.com/l/23/...nternet-Tablet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillvane View Post
    You probably could do some basic video editing with Photoshop CS6 right on your tablet,
    Yes... and 'BASIC' is the key word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    A small segment will want video editing and AutoCad, but that's not enough for a computer maker to survive on.
    I would disagree. There are probably more 'professional' computers out there than amateur game type computers, and once again... touch screen has been around for DECADES and has never made it into desktop machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    Yes... and 'BASIC' is the key word.
    Yes, that's what the consumer needs and wants. Check Youtube how many "movies" are made with Movie Maker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgbier View Post
    Yes, that's what the consumer needs and wants. Check Youtube how many "movies" are made with Movie Maker.
    But you keep missing the point. How many of those consumers have actually REPLACED their entire computer array with a tablet. My guess.... not many, if any at all.

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    I bet there'll be quite a lot. How many folks have been replacing their desktops with laptops? The tablet is the next step.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    But you keep missing the point. How many of those consumers have actually REPLACED their entire computer array with a tablet. My guess.... not many, if any at all.
    You still haven't answered my question. Is Ray Ozzie wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    You still haven't answered my question. Is Ray Ozzie wrong?
    Everybody is entitled to an opinion including Ozzie. I disagree with it.

    There is no such thing as a "post pc" era. Styles, shapes, strengths, and abilities of the PC have changed over the years and will continue to do so.... but they aren't going anywhere. Computers are an in-depth part of the human way of life now and in the future, so given that.... how can there possibly be a "post personal computer era"??? The tablet itself is simply another form of personal computer (albeit simpler).

    The term "post pc" (I believe anyway) is a rather brilliant but HIGHLY inaccurate slogan created by Apple in an attempt to (in effect) step right over (nullify) an industry (the pc industry) which it clearly knows it can never win or control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgbier View Post
    I bet there'll be quite a lot. How many folks have been replacing their desktops with laptops? The tablet is the next step.
    You can fully and completely run auto cad on a laptop just as you can a desktop..... and THAT'S the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    You can fully and completely run auto cad on a laptop just as you can a desktop..... and THAT'S the difference.
    Auto Cad is a $4,000 professional application. It is not a consumer app.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    Auto Cad is a $4,000 professional application. It is not a consumer app.
    Well they do sell autocad for the tablet, and indeed there are a few out there who are doing it (for very simple and basic tasks).... but that's not really the point. It's simply one of MANY programs that can not be accurately run on a tablet. Given that there is simply no way a tablet can fill the shoes of a pc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    Well they do sell autocad for the tablet, and indeed there are a few out there who are doing it (for very simple and basic tasks).... but that's not really the point. It's simply one of MANY programs that can not be accurately run on a tablet. Given that there is simply no way a tablet can fill the shoes of a pc.
    Of course there will still be demand for the desktop and laptop to run apps like Auto Cad. But that's a tiny slice of the market. The bread and butter is at low cost end. That's why Apple's 91% market share of computers costing more than $1,000 (2009) was a drop in ocean compared to the entire market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    But that's a tiny slice of the market. The bread and butter is at low cost end.
    I'm betting you're wrong here. In fact it would be quite interesting to see some sort of numbers on the subject. Even when I think of typing up a 3 page essay on a tablet (average junior high work) as compared to a normal machine... my mind shutters.... and yes, I've spent a bit of time playing with a tablet.

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    Apple iPad Keyboard Dock

    - they did think of it, but you missed it...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    I'm betting you're wrong here. In fact it would be quite interesting to see some sort of numbers on the subject. Even when I think of typing up a 3 page essay on a tablet (average junior high work) as compared to a normal machine... my mind shutters.... and yes, I've spent a bit of time playing with a tablet.
    It's common knowledge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    That's why Apple's 91% market share of computers costing more than $1,000 (2009) was a drop in ocean compared to the entire market.
    Is this what you doubt?

    OK, here's a source:

    Apple Snags 91% of Over $1,000 PC Market
    (2009)

    http://www.dailytech.com/Apple+Snags...ticle15778.htm

    That puts most of the market in the sub $1,000 segment.

    Oh and I think it's reasonable to assume that people forking over $4,000 for Auto Cad wouldn't be running it on a sub-$1,000 machine.
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    The average selling price of all PCs in the U.S was $701 in June 2009. For Windows PCs it was $515. The average selling price of a Mac was $1,400.

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...#ixzz1qUWmNYUI

    So that's where the market volumes are loaded. $500 is the sweet spot. If Microsoft loses ground here, it's in big trouble. There's a reason why MS is desperate to get windows 8 onto a tablet, it has to defend it's market dominance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    Apple iPad Keyboard Dock

    - they did think of it, but you missed it...
    Right... and now you have the makings of a desktop (or a laptop)

    As stated quite a few posts ago... I can see a tablet working as a replacement only if they created some sort of docking station which included a larger screen, a mouse, and a keyboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    Oh and I think it's reasonable to assume that people forking over $4,000 for Auto Cad wouldn't be running it on a sub-$1,000 machine.
    And why not??

    Auto cad requirements:
    Microsoft® Windows® 7 Enterprise, Ultimate, Professional, or Home Premium (compare Windows 7 versions) or Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional or Home edition (SP3 or later)
    For Windows 7: Intel® Pentium® 4 or AMD Athlon™ dual-core processor, 3.0 GHz or higher with SSE2 technology
    For Windows XP: Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon dual-core processor, 1.6 GHz or higher with SSE2 technology
    2 GB RAM (4 GB recommended)
    6 GB free disk space for installation
    1,024 x 768 display resolution with true color (1,600 x 1,050 with true color recommended)
    Microsoft® Internet Explorer® 7.0 or later web browser
    Install from download or DVD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    And why not??

    Auto cad requirements:
    For $500 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    For $500 ?
    Unless you're speaking of the 3d 64 bit version, auto cad is not a complex program to run. And you said 1000.... now all of a sudden we're for some reason talking about $500

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    The average selling price of all PCs in the U.S was $701 in June 2009. For Windows PCs it was $515. The average selling price of a Mac was $1,400.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    The average selling price of all PCs in the U.S was $701 in June 2009. For Windows PCs it was $515. The average selling price of a Mac was $1,400.
    An average is a CALCULATED number not a real one.

    Furthermore what you're more or less suggesting with all of this is that autocad is a mac dominated world.... which is not true. There is something dreadfully wrong with your analogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    An average is a CALCULATED number not a real one.
    So what is the real number?

    Come on man, running a $4,000 application on a $500 Dell. That's a stretch, isn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    Furthermore what you're more or less suggesting with all of this is that autocad is a mac dominated world.... which is not true. There is something dreadfully wrong with your analogy.
    I'm not suggesting anything. The fact is that 91% of computers, over $1,000, are Macs. So unless the average Auto Cad is using a sub-$1,000 computer, then yes, it will be a Mac in 91% of cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    So unless the average Auto Cad is using a sub-$1,000 computer, then yes, it will be a Mac in 91% of cases.
    Autocad wasn't even available for mac for a number of years. What drugs are you smoking in order to make this outrageous and laughable claim???


    Autodesk stopped supporting Apple's computers in 1994. Over the next several years, no compatible versions for Macintosh computers were released. In the fall of 2010 though, Autodesk announced that they would once again support Apple's Mac OS X software in their future version of AutoCAD.[25] Most of the same features found in the 2012 Windows version can also be found in the 2012 Mac version as well.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AutoCAD

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