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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    There used to be a package which included the battery and tool for separating the back. I did it myself some years ago, it wasn't so hard.
    Mmmm. When I look on the back of my cordless phone I see this little sliding door marked "battery". I don't need a "package" which includes any "tool". Is this an Apple thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    BTW.... does opening it up on your own void any warranties?
    Yes, but isn't the iPod in question out of warranty? Sorry if I'm mistaken, but if it's still under warranty, you can take it down the Apple store, in Polo Park, and have it replaced for free.

    I'd of thought this was obvious. Having a slow day, Bob?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    Yes, but isn't the iPod in question out of warranty?
    I have no idea. I didn't think we needed to get into things like "packages" and "tools" and "google searches" and "videos" and "warranties" just to change a battery. You'll have to excuse my ignorance... this Apple thing is all new to me.

    I will say however... it might be a good idea for a poster (janke) who puts this kind of thing up to mention that warranties could be affected with these sorts of activities.
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    Interesting question.... I wonder how much extra money Apple makes by unnecessarily complicating issues like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    I have no idea. I didn't think we needed to get into things like "packages" and "tools" and "google searches" and "videos" and "warranties" just to change a battery. You'll have to excuse my ignorance... this Apple thing is all new to me.

    I will say however... it might be a good idea for a poster (janke) who puts this kind of thing up to mention that warranties could be affected with these sorts of activities.
    That's a reasonable point, Bob. An ugly battery flap would spoil the aesthetic of the product, but maybe it's taking end to end integration a bit too far?

    I think the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages, but that's just my opinion. Of course the market seems to like it.

    New iPad Tops Three Million

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    (janke) who puts this kind of thing up to mention that warranties could be affected with these sorts of activities.
    Bob, you're talking without knowing - yet again. It's very clearly mentioned in the video at 0:40 - but I guess you couldn't watch anything about Apple for that long...

    I guess this is more in your style:





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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    Bob, you're talking without knowing - yet again. It's very clearly mentioned in the video at 0:40
    It was about 5 am in the morning when I watched it. Volume was muted to avoid waking the family, so from my perspective... IT WASN'T clearly mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    I guess this is more in your style:
    Balmer certainly has his ways about him, and Microsoft certainly has had its share of failures (as has Apple) but that doesn't delete the fact that Microsoft controls upwards of 90% of the OS industry and if you step into just about any clerical office it will be.... "Apple who???"

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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    That's a reasonable point, Bob. An ugly battery flap would spoil the aesthetic of the product, but maybe it's taking end to end integration a bit too far?
    An ugly battery flap?? Are you kidding me? You can make them so they're not even noticeable.

    Pretty lame excuse if I ever heard one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    from my perspective... IT WASN'T clearly mentioned.
    It was. Very clearly. Anyone watching that video will agree.

    "If your iPod is less than a year old - or two, if you bought the extended protection plan - opening it will void your warranty."

    Was that too hard to understand? If it was, your "perspective" is quite biased...
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    If it's a computer, even your cell phone, people want to play games on it. The Ipad is getting more and more horse power, so it's able to graduate from games like tetris and solitaire, to more "hardcore" games.

    I don't know where the article is exactly, but a new game controller is in the works for the Ipad. That will make it much more useful for the young crowd that likes console games. They can play their favorite console games right there in Starbucks or wherever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    It was. Very clearly. Anyone watching that video will agree.
    You're absolutely right. I watched the video again, and I'm not sure how I missed it the first time... but it's there, and for that you have my profuse apology.

    However this doesn't change the fact that it is CLEARLY something Apple does not want you doing. Why would Apple complicate such an otherwise easy task? Please don't suggest something absolutely stupid like an "ugly battery flap".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    However this doesn't change the fact that it is CLEARLY something Apple does not want you doing. Why would Apple complicate such an otherwise easy task? Please don't suggest something absolutely stupid like an "ugly battery flap".
    But it is the ugly battery flap. Steve Jobs was obsessive about small details. The Apple II was secured by a special bolt, because Jobs didn't want people opening it, yet he obsessed over the fit and quality of the interior. Nobody at Apple understood this, it was just his way.

    I agree that a battery flap would be no big deal and a small price to pay for a convenient battery change. But this would've been a big deal for Jobs because it would ruin the aesthetic of the product.
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    aesthetic of the product
    Besides OS X, the main reason I use Apple.

    Sir Jonathan Ives has taken a lot of hints from Dieter Rams, but that's why I liked Braun products.... it's the design.
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    This is a pretty good take on why the iPod/Pad/Phone is the way it is. I don't necessarily agree with the thought of "unserviceable" products - but I still think it's a fair assessment.

    http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/19/sho...anti-consumer/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuluws View Post
    the way it is
    So Apple has a no-questions-asked replacement policy on broken i-things? You just bring in a device with a cracked screen (for instance), and they replace it right there with no money being asked for?

    That IS pretty cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    But it is the ugly battery flap.
    That's total bat crap. I've seen (and own) devices where the battery flap is hidden so well I've had to actually view the manual to figure it out. Now are you trying to tell me that the almighty Steve Jobs was too dumb to figure out how to engineer a hidden battery flap???

    Sorry Hue... that's TOTAL bullsh!t.

    Here's the reason (article supplied by Tuluws):

    Innovation is fueled by profits. Without profits, companies cannot invest into research and development. If you do not buy a new tablet every several years, these profits will dwindle and cause innovation to slow. Companies like Apple do not make money on servicing products. Money is only made when they sell you a new product. For better or worse, this is the way of the consumer electronics world.
    They don't WANT you servicing older ipods. They want you buying new ones, so they make servicing as much of a pain in the ass as they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 View Post
    So Apple has a no-questions-asked replacement policy on broken i-things? You just bring in a device with a cracked screen (for instance), and they replace it right there with no money being asked for?
    LOL

    Ask Doc how "no-questions asked" his blown mobo was.

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    Interesting... just remembering a camping trip we went on last year with some friends. He had an iphone (I have a samsung and an extra battery). His iphone quit pretty early and I just assumed he didn't have an extra battery. Of course I recognize NOW that I was wrong because the iphone has the same problem. The battery is built in and you can't change it out. If you're not near a power source for a recharge then you are dead in the water.

    That's just sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    Interesting... just remembering a camping trip we went on last year with some friends. He had an iphone (I have a samsung and an extra battery). His iphone quit pretty early and I just assumed he didn't have an extra battery. Of course I recognize NOW that I was wrong because the iphone has the same problem. The battery is built in and you can't change it out. If you're not near a power source for a recharge then you are dead in the water.

    That's just sad.
    Wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    I guess this is more in your style:



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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    That's not an apple battery. It's an external battery pack that's not even made by apple. So I guess the next question is.... what will that do to your warranty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgbier View Post
    Guess we just found Darwin's missing link
    I'm not at all sure what you're trying to accomplish with these Balmer videos? Clearly you believe you're insulting me with them. If that's the case then you would be wrong. In fact I'm getting a kick out of the idea that I'm angering the Apple crowd enough so you all feel the NEED to try and insult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    That's not an apple battery. It's an external battery pack that's not even made by apple. So I guess the next question is.... what will that do to your warranty?
    This is a fallacy of relevance because you wrote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    The battery is built in and you can't change it out. If you're not near a power source for a recharge then you are dead in the water.
    Which is WRONG!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    Which is WRONG!
    Can you or can you not change the battery out?

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