YUP... a real professional ear plugger if I ever saw one!Originally Posted by HueyNRolf
YUP... a real professional ear plugger if I ever saw one!
Plugging my ears to what? That desktops are going to be around forever?
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Okay....let's just replay the last few posts again so your brain MIGHT have the chance to actually digest something...
I said:Then you said:There is no "evil" in a tablet. It's a tool that has its benefits just like any other. That's an assumption you have on my opinion of them.... a WRONG assumption.
Replacing PC's however at the present time is an UNREALISTIC and UNPROVEN jump that you have made... and apparently made all by yourself since you can't find any data to back it up.I said:No problem, Bob. You're entitled to your opinion.You said:Not an opinion... a FACT. You proved it by emphasizing the SAD LACK of data on the issue.
Now.... you're asking "plugging my ears to what?"
Do you see it now... or should we start from the top again?
No problem. You're entitled to your opinion. At the end of the day time will tell. It won't take long for the post-PC era to gather momentum. Lets just leave it as is for now. We'll just have to see how it unfolds.Okay....let's just replay the last few posts again so your brain MIGHT have the chance to actually digest something...
I said:
Then you said:
I said:
You said:
Now.... you're asking "plugging my ears to what?"
Do you see it now... or should we start from the top again?
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Well ... the EVENTUAL outcome is anybody's guess. But that's not what you said.
You said PC's ARE being replaced. They are not. It is presently IMPOSSIBLE to replace a desktop with a tablet. Tablets operate on a touchscreen basis which has already been PROVEN ineffective and inefficient in an all-day, desk type office environment. The screen real estate of a tablet has also been PROVEN to be the same. And we all know how reliable speech recognition can be.
The old fashioned keyboard, mouse, and reasonably sized monitor ARE, AND REMAIN the most efficient and effective methods of I/O for long duration users (office clerks, editors, secretaries... etc) and until this changes... the desktop concept will continue to be with us.
Proven by whom?
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
How about Apple?
But as stated... we have already tried it with our secretarial pool. Nothing but complaints.... too much unnecessary arm and upper body movement when compared to a mouse.
It's not like touchscreen is new and was born just yesterday. It's been around for years... yet how many secretaries do you see using a touchscreen all day on their desktops? If you ACTUALLY manage to find one... ask them how sore and tired their arms get.
With a touchscreen you use the ENTIRE arm and a bit of the upper body to operate. With a properly adjusted mouse you use only the wrist and fingers. Now which do you believe would be a better bet for the long duration user? It's not hard to figure it out.
Last edited by Bob Sanders; 2012 March 12th at 10:50.
So that's you and your secretarial pool. The axis of the "post-PC era denial."
Listen man, I'm sick of this. I've provided links to many articles on this. You've just ignored everything and provided nothing factual as rebuttal. It's like trying to have a rational discussion with a revolving door. So you can believe what you want. I'm going to hang back. Maybe I'll revisit when something undeniable happens. Lets see how the launch of windows 8 goes. Will microsoft get a piece of the tablet market?
Bob, I'll be ignoring your posts from now on, unless you have something intelligent enough to warrant a response.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I see you blocked this out from CG (plugging the ears again):And I also added this in my above post:Touch screen: Even Apple acknowledged that a touch screen is use less in a desktop environment. That's why they didn't introduce them.
It's not like touchscreen is new and was born just yesterday. It's been around for years... yet how many secretaries do you see using a touchscreen all day on their desktops? If you ACTUALLY manage to find one... ask them how sore and tired their arms get.
With a touchscreen you use the ENTIRE arm and a bit of the upper body to operate. With a properly adjusted mouse you use only the wrist and fingers. Now which do you believe would be a better bet for the long duration user? It's not hard to figure it out.
Ever watched the movie MINORITY REPORT with Tom Cruise? In the beginning he's standing there waving his arms and hands in the air to flip pages and draw pictures on the screen? Pretty cool method of inputting! But TOTALLY USELESS and completely unrealistic in the real world with long duration users who sit in front of a computer all day. Their pay would have to be doubled for the workout which would be expected from them all day, every day.
The mouse and keyboard REMAIN the most effective and efficient method of input..... and tablets don't change this..... FACT
Last edited by Bob Sanders; 2012 March 12th at 11:18.
It's likely better for them than micro movements and OOS.
Aye, Janke.
i think the whole post-pc era/tablets replacing personal computers is a joke. marketing hype, paranoia, and hysteria. the tablet won't replace the pc, it will exist as an alternative for people that would normally buy a celeron or cheap and solution to just get on the internet, read email, and look at recipes. although that is a fair amount of the pc market, it by no means is the core of the market that pc manufacturers and component manufacturers play to.
the true place for the tablet is as an extension to the desktop.just as the laptop/notebook was an extension to the desktop, the tablet is coming into form in the same manner. its also not realistic to think that tablets will replace notebooks either. most traveling businessmen or businesses that use a laptop on the road do so because they either use or sell equipment, software, catalog, or have the need for a windows based pc. i deal with several vendors in the auto industry whose reps carry laptops because they use their ordering software, demos, catalogs and all from the pc.
sure, some could probably move to the internet, but tablets aren't the best solution for ordering from online catalogs where pop ups, multiple page displays, or demos may be used. java, html5 and flash can only do so much.
you do see home users buying tablets instead of notebooks, seeing that a lighter and less expensive tablet can do the things they want anyway, email, web and web based games. but the tablet isn't going to end the pc market.
about windows 8. i loaded it on a lifebook and i have to say, microsoft finally got it. they have made an OS that naturally favors a tablet but works on a normal pc just as well. some of the gestures and what they do are confusing, but you can see that microsoft has made themselves a good position to move to tablet, hybrid and desktop.
i can't wait to see how the finished version works since it will have the ability to easily work in any format. i myself found using it on a tablet much easier then the traditional keyboard mouse configuration.
but back to topic, the real use for tablets is as an extension to the pc. think of it as an expensive keyboard or mouse. at NAB, we've seen how easy color correction is using the iPad as a surface. for a couple of years, we've seen the tablet become and effective control surface in the music industry, and almost a staple to the modern musician. pick up any music magazine these days, you'll see ads and articles about the iPad in many different uses.
it's a tool to use to make things easier, not a market killer. the only market the tablet has killed is the control surface market in music. where we had digital control surfaces that cost thousands of dollars before the iPad came out, now, everyone has to compete with the iPad since it can do the same things cheaper, plus much more.
I'll leave you to convince the various workers and Unions of that.... and good bloody luck.... you'll need it.
If that's the case then it will indeed be a tough competition. If you can run a tablet in the same fashion with the same OS as on your pc with 100% comparability to boot.... then you have a winner of a combination. Microsoft of course will have to scrounge up some hardware supporters... but then that's never really been a problem for them.
That's a reasonable opinion, I wouldn't go so far as to say intelligent
Nah seriously. You have to wonder if this 'one OS fits all' strategy is going to work. The successful mobile deices run Android and iOS, written specifically for phones and tablets. Surely a unified OS would be a compromise? Thus sacrificing usability on both platforms. Lets face it, this wouldn't be the first time microsoft has tried to sell a bad idea and failed.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
And you know this because you have tried it already, right?
Don't be like that, Bob. It's just my opinion. I guess you don't think it's reasonable?
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
People usually form an opinion after they have given things a try. I'm just wondering where this opinion is coming from because it's clear you have no experience with windows 8
And you have no experience of OS X, but you most certainly do have an opinion about it. Besides, I'm not sitting in judgement of windows 8 per se. I'm just trying to discuss where the market is going. What's wrong with that?
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Absolutely nothing... but let's get serious here. How can you believe for a single second that a little touch screen device can POSSIBLY take over the duties of a full desktop computer?? Do you not agree a touch screen would be a high ineffective method of input for long duration users?
I COMPLETELY agree with dearcatastrophy.... just a bunch of ludicrous apple hype in order to sell ipads.
Let me put it to you this way.... Apple clearly knows it has lost the pc war and hasn't got a chance in hell in catching up.... so why not make an attempt to delete the pc industry altogether with some bogus "post pc" line. Heck...that slogan isn't even real because a tablet is still a pc of sorts. Only if it was a REAL pc then it would be able to run a full os just like a laptop. That in itself questions the tablet's ability to fill the shoes of a REAL computer.
Now tablets MAY just cut into laptop sales.... won't kill it... but will certainly cut into it. Regardless to that however....What you're looking at here is PURE Apple marketing hype with no truth or teeth to back it up.
Last edited by Bob Sanders; 2012 March 13th at 08:02.
Of course, neither of us can observe the future. All we can do is keep an eye out and see the way things are going, and make our own predictions, for better or worse. It is a fact that, not only the iPad, but tablets in general are enjoying HUGE growth. It's also a fact that microsoft isn't in this market and is hoping to get in there with windows 8. As for tablets having no place in an office environment, I don't see why not. Maybe office workers might like not having to sit up at a desk. Could the office worker in the post-PC era, lean back, be more comfortable and more productive? I think it's possible.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Apple isn't the only company in the tablet market. It seems to me that the whole industry wants a piece, including microsoft. "You can't fight the market."
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Already been tried. Have you not seen some of the crazy computer chairs out there. About the ONLY thing that will beat a keyboard/mouse is speech or brain recognition... and we are light years away from seeing that actually work.
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