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[Bob Sanders]

So you don't have a point, do you.

The point has already been made. What Apple does or does not do has nothing to do with HP... dell... etc. What arrangements/contracts made between apple and foxconn has nothing to do with foxconn's arrangements/contracts with its other customers.

It is you who lacks any point. You keep trying to form connections where there aren't any.

[HueyNRolf]

The point has already been made.

By whom? Not you, that's for sure.
I doubt that anyone buys your pious double standards. I certainly don't.

[Bob Sanders]

I doubt that anyone buys your pious double standards.

And what double standards might those be?

[HueyNRolf]

And what double standards might those be?

That you're a consumer of cheap-labor products yet you preach about workers' rights.

[Bob Sanders]

That you're a consumer of cheap-labor products yet you preach about workers' rights.

Ummm... no. It's Apple who is preaching... or have you lost sight of that?

[HueyNRolf]

Ummm... no. It's Apple who is preaching... or have you lost sight of that?

So you're just bandwagoning then.

[Bob Sanders]

So you're just bandwagoning then.

Have you not been following this thread???

My entire argument is with the grand show that Apple is trying to put on here. They are trying to tell the American public that they care.... which of course they don't

[HueyNRolf]

Have you not been following this thread???

My entire argument is with the grand show that Apple is trying to put on here. They are trying to tell the American public that they care.... which of course they don't

That's just your opinion. You never did back that up with any facts.

[Bob Sanders]

That's just your opinion. You never did back that up with any facts.

And I said a LONG time ago that if I (or anyone else) could prove this Apple lie then Apple wouldn't be doing it because it would be a lot like a self inflicted gun shot wound.

Did you miss that one too? Would you like me to go back and point to it.... or do you think you're old and wise enough to find it on you're own?

[HueyNRolf]

And I said a LONG time ago that if I (or anyone else) could prove this Apple lie then Apple wouldn't be doing it because it would be a lot like a self inflicted gun shot wound.

That makes it opinion, not fact.

[Bob Sanders]

That makes it opinion, not fact.

Please show me ANYWHERE which I have labeled my words "fact"

[HueyNRolf]

Please show me ANYWHERE which I have labeled my words "fact"

Fair enough, so all of this is just your opinion then. That's all I've been saying for the last three pages.

[Bob Sanders]

That's all I've been saying for the last three pages.

not quite

[HueyNRolf]

not quite

I lost count of the number of times I wrote:

"You're entitled to your opinion"

But as Balmer would say, you just kept 'coming and coming and coming' with your believer's propaganda .

[Bob Sanders]

I lost count of the number of times I wrote:

You said it's ALL you've said in the last 3 pages. That's an inaccurate statement. You went off on wild tangents asking questions about different pay scales and possible problems that would cause.... how the Chinese couldn't set up a western style system.... how Apple seems to be so proud of hiring Americans..... etc.

I haven't gone back and checked mind you (too lazy) but I don't think you have mentioned 'opinions' ONCE in at least the last 2 pages.

[HueyNRolf]

You said it's ALL you've said in the last 3 pages. That's an inaccurate statement. You went off on wild tangents asking questions about different pay scales and possible problems that would cause.... how the Chinese couldn't set up a western style system.... how Apple seems to be so proud of hiring Americans..... etc.

I haven't gone back and checked mind you (too lazy) but I don't think you have mentioned 'opinions' ONCE in at least the last 2 pages.

I did engage in discussion with you, but it was all based on your opinion. For example; you hypothesized about how Apple could change things at Foxcomm and I discussed it with you.

But now you admit that it's just your opinion, right?

[Bob Sanders]

I did engage in discussion with you, but it was all based on your opinion. For example; you hypothesized about how Apple could change things at Foxcomm and I discussed it with you.

Is that another way of saying that you agree your '3 page' statement is inaccurate?

[HueyNRolf]

Is that another way of saying that you agree your '3 page' statement is inaccurate?

No.

[Bob Sanders]

No.

Then if you don't mind you'll go back and prove it by counting the number of times you said "you're entitled to your opinion" over the last 3 pages?

[HueyNRolf]

Then if you don't mind you'll go back and prove it by counting the number of times you said "you're entitled to your opinion" over the last 3 pages?

No.

[Bob Sanders]

No.

So then I guess it would be.... your.... (inaccurate) opinion?

[HueyNRolf]

So then I guess it would be.... your.... (inaccurate) opinion?

What that your statement is just your opinion?

Oh and opinions are subjective, you dolt.

[Bob Sanders]

Oh and opinions are subjective,

Well... If we go by your last few posts we can safely say their not fact

[HueyNRolf]

These are the facts. You said:

Apple is telling more lies to the general public in trying to convince those that they care about places like foxconn and its workers.

So Apple is not just stepping on the Chinese neck ONCE as other companies are for the cheap labor, but yet a SECOND time for image cleansing purposes. Way to go Apple!!

Etc. etc. There are many more like this, but it would get too repetitive if I added more.

These are just your opinions, which you're entitled to. Fact.

Also, you quoted:

Foxconn executive Louis Woo said that he would actually like it if Apple demanded that the company double the pay of factory employees. Your move, Apple.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/22/28...conn-factories

Someone omitted "when asked" and added "said that he would actually like it"

So this is inaccurate . That's another fact.

Here it is from the horse's mouth (see end):

[HueyNRolf]

Head of FLA says that Apple’s iPad plants in China are ‘way above average’ and ‘tranquil’

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/02/...-and-tranquil/

Apple iPad plant conditions better than the norm: agency

"(Reuters) - Working conditions at Chinese manufacturing plants where Apple Inc's iPads and iPhones are made are far better than those at garment factories or other facilities elsewhere in the country, according to the head of a non-profit agency investigating the plants."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...r&dlvrit=56505



Your move, Bob.