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    "Apple's sales were $46.3 billion in the quarter that ended Dec. 31, up 73 percent from a year ago. That's more than twice the revenue of its old nemesis, Microsoft Corp."


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    Good. With all that money floating around perhaps they'll be so kind as to offer free two year warranties on their (highly esteemed) products and a phone number on which you can call (and speak to a human) for free outside the U.S.

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    Bob Sanders:

    Again, quite serious. With 5% of the computer market there really is no place for Apple to go except up. Conversely, with 90% of the market, there really is no place for M$ to go except for down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Benway View Post
    Good. With all that money floating around perhaps they'll be so kind as to offer free two year warranties on their (highly esteemed) products and a phone number on which you can call (and speak to a human) for free outside the U.S.
    Indeed, I think the shareholders were hoping some of that 'goodwill' was going to come their way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Benway View Post
    Good. With all that money floating around perhaps they'll be so kind as to offer free two year warranties on their (highly esteemed) products and a phone number on which you can call (and speak to a human) for free outside the U.S.
    They haven't done so yet... why would you think them to start now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    They haven't done so yet... why would you think them to start now?
    I've had excellent after sales from Apple Japan. Unlike my believer friends who tell me that when the Dell F's up, nobody wants to own the problem; Dell will tell you to talk to MS and MS will tell you to talk to Dell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    I've had excellent after sales from Apple Japan.
    So I guess Dr. Benway is crazy... or lying?

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    No, Bob, warranties are regulated by laws. Apple'd be stupid if they did more than the law is asking from them.
    If US laws are requiring 90 days, you get the 90 days***. Everything beyond that is courtesy of the distributor. In Europe, you have two years of warranty (with free 1-800# and all). Japan's laws might be similar. Thailand? Who knows.

    *** you live in a democrazy - talk to your congressman or MP if you see the need for a change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    So I guess Dr. Benway is crazy... or lying?
    ...or hasn't any experience with Apple Japan?
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    minimum warranty of 12 months and customer service is actually one of those things we're lucky to get.

    Most companies try to out "shine" each other and offer more years warranty than the other. Non-computer companies like husqvarna (chainsaws etc) have a lifetime warranty here, and I'm sure some other parts of the world.

    As for computer parts, again you guys are arguing about Apple (who sell whole computers) and Dell (Who sell whole computers) and Microsoft (Who sell operating systems and not computers). If you build a computer yourself, buy the parts from reputable online sites (at least here, in Australia), they have minimum 12 months warranty... others have lifetime warranty. If you buy from a company who sells whole computers (Dell, Acer, HP/Compaq etc), prepare to get ripped off and have problems. Build your own computer, befriend a techy... theres your after hours support for the cost of a 6 pack.

    And yes, you can build hackintosh PCs, which I think curb the prices spent on Apple hardware. In the end you're paying for the shiny case it came in. I'm not going to start an argument about Apple, all I'm saying is that you can build your own Apple machine and still get the support you're after... just not Apple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Rutter View Post
    all I'm saying is that you can build your own Apple machine and still get the support you're after... just not Apple.
    I did consider building a hackintosh, but decided against it because I didn't like the idea of relying on a community geeks for support and because I think Apple turns a blind eye to the license violations because the seepage is too small to worry about. I'm sure they could put an end to the party if they wanted to. So that paints an uncertain future for the hackintosh. I stuck with legit.
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    .... and whenever I priced a Hackintosh together, it didn't come much cheaper than actually buying an iMac (most folks forget the iMac's excellent screens in their budget)
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    I think Apple turns a blind eye to the license violations because the seepage is too small to worry about.
    Nah... I bet Apple turns a blind eye because in the long run it's good for business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    Nah... I bet Apple turns a blind eye because in the long run it's good for business.
    How so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    How so?
    Most of liking a program is all about getting used to it. If they 'let' you get used to it on a free basis then the chances are great you'll probably come back as a paying customer somewhere down the road. It's nothing short of smart business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    It's nothing short of smart business
    To some people maybe.

    That's like encouraging shoplifting. Moreover, why is it against the license conditions and why did Apple sue Psystar out of existence ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    To some people maybe.

    That's like encouraging shoplifting. Moreover, why is it against the license conditions and why did Apple sue Psystar out of existence ?
    You certainly need a license key for FCP but have you ever wondered why you don't need a license key for OSX

    Apple is not dumb.... it does these things by design. It's NOT an accident and it certainly has nothing to do with Apple not having the money to worry about license keys.

    Apple writes the license for osx... but it does not get enforced.... BY DESIGN. They want osx out there and they want people getting used to it.

    Psystar is different. They were a company making money off Apple's back. In that case Apple exercised its right to enforce the license.

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    Bob, license keys are a thing of the past with Apple software.

    Psystar was sued because they tried to make it a commercial venture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgbier View Post
    Bob, license keys are a thing of the past with Apple software.
    To the best of my knowledge you've needed (and still need) license keys for FCP and other Apple Programs... but NEVER with osx. Am I the only one who finds that a tad strange???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    Psystar is different. They were a company making money off Apple's back. In that case Apple exercised its right to enforce the license.
    Whether it's a small group of individuals or a commercial venture, the outcome is still the same cannibalized sales. Apple had to stop Psystar, unchecked it would've set a precedent which would've seriously undermined Apple's business model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    To some people maybe.

    That's like encouraging shoplifting. Moreover, why is it against the license conditions and why did Apple sue Psystar out of existence ?
    Part one: Because Apple makes a premium on selling their hardware. Part two: Because Psystar was making a profit off it.

    Developing software is expensive. That's why all the good programs are so expensive. That's how Apple can sell the OS so cheap, people are expected to have Apple-brand hardware.

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    No, Bob you don't anymore since the App Store is the only way to purchase Apple apps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HueyNRolf View Post
    Whether it's a small group of individuals or a commercial venture, the outcome is still the same cannibalized sales. Apple had to stop Psystar, unchecked it would've set a precedent which would've seriously undermined Apple's business model.
    A small group of individuals makes possible customers in the future while a commercial venture does little more than rob you. Different things entirely.

    Furthermore... osx is not built to make money but rather to sell hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgbier View Post
    No, Bob you don't anymore since the App Store is the only way to purchase Apple apps.
    Okay... my mistake then.... but that still doesn't delete the fact that osx has never required a license key while other Apple apps have.

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    Nope, OS X never needed a license key. The Hackintosh community is pretty small, so I don't think it is a huge thorn in Apple's side. I have followed the scene around a bit. There are meanwhile lots of reports "I have given it up and bought a 'real Mac'" on the fora.
    On the other hand, the Hackintosh community also helps Mac Pro owners with installing hardware that isn't supported too well by Apple. Those guys write a lot of drivers.

    The first version of Final Cut was planned as a give away, btw. His Steveliness wanted it to be a standard install on every new Power Mac, just like iMovie on the consumer Macs, so you are not too mistaken with your idea that Apple's software spurs hardware sales.
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