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    JVC had shown the prototype of an affordable HM150 sized 4k camera last year.
    Sales will start in March with a retail price of about $5000

    http://newsroom.jvc.com/2012/01/jvc-...-4k-camcorder/
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    So far I'm fine with 1080 resolution.
    And from what I've read recently, when printed to 35mm, does it change much? Personally, I've been pleased with movies shot in 16mm recently, so it's not for me.
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    Thank god if he existed that time does not stand still or we would all be still using VHS , I'm definitely looking forward to the first tests to see how it really is.

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    Great... AVCHD. I was very excited reading this thread, I would go for it without thought... but as soon as I blew up the pic and read AVCHD... it was a real let-down. Congrats for losing a paying customer (and many others to follow)
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    I find these teasers weird. Firstly, the don't want to divulge information that could be used by their competitors. Secondly, they 'um' and 'ahh' about whether it will eventuate. I think they need highly articulate spokespeople.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Benway View Post
    ...they 'um' and 'ahh' about whether it will eventuate.
    It will eventuate:

    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Handheld.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almohada View Post
    Great... AVCHD. I was very excited reading this thread, I would go for it without thought... but as soon as I blew up the pic and read AVCHD... it was a real let-down. Congrats for losing a paying customer (and many others to follow)
    Should have read the articles. You don't have to use the AVCHD at all, provided you can handle the 4K broken up into 4 "quadrants" each recorded on a separate SD media card (I assume they mean SDHC here). If your editing facility and software can handle the 4 "streams" you never need to mess with AVCHD.

    AVCHD is provided as an alternate to "down res" from 4K to 1920x1080 so something like our modern four and six core processor based computers can handle it where they likely can't even touch the 4K format.

    AVCHD is no big deal anymore, I've been editing it ever since Canon came out with the HF100. Had a bit of trouble with it as I was trying to edit in a software package that is a "resource hawg" and the computer had a Q6600 quad core processor that ran a bit slower than the software wanted. So for a temporary solution I dropped the bitrate in the camera to 12Mbps instead of 17.

    Now on a 2nd gen Core i7 2600 AVCHD poses no problems, but I still wouldn't be able to work with 4K material.

    But the dual core computers that handled HDV just fine generally won't even touch any of the newer stuff without transcoding. Just trying to put it into a bit of perspective for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 View Post
    It will eventuate:
    Aye... just the language used. Or, methodology sued at these shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bif View Post
    Should have read the articles. You don't have to use the AVCHD at all, provided you can handle the 4K broken up into 4 "quadrants" each recorded on a separate SD media card (I assume they mean SDHC here). If your editing facility and software can handle the 4 "streams" you never need to mess with AVCHD.

    AVCHD is provided as an alternate to "down res" from 4K to 1920x1080 so something like our modern four and six core processor based computers can handle it where they likely can't even touch the 4K format.

    AVCHD is no big deal anymore, I've been editing it ever since Canon came out with the HF100. Had a bit of trouble with it as I was trying to edit in a software package that is a "resource hawg" and the computer had a Q6600 quad core processor that ran a bit slower than the software wanted. So for a temporary solution I dropped the bitrate in the camera to 12Mbps instead of 17.

    Now on a 2nd gen Core i7 2600 AVCHD poses no problems, but I still wouldn't be able to work with 4K material.

    But the dual core computers that handled HDV just fine generally won't even touch any of the newer stuff without transcoding. Just trying to put it into a bit of perspective for you.

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    Yeah, guess I'd need to drop another ~$3,000 on a computer then. Still worth it I think.... if I had that kind of dough.
    We'll find out more in March, this camera could be a flop... just gotta wait and see what happens.
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    You better put your beer money aside for a new computer. 4K seems to be the thing of the not so distant future.

    Even if you won't need the 4K, it is interesting for cropping in a 1080 timeline, especially in ENG where you not always have a chance to compose your shot right.

    Nice to finally see a 1/2" chip from JVC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgbier View Post
    You better put your beer money aside for a new computer.
    Dangling carrots - 4K!!! What's next? I don't even have a 1080p camera... yet.

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    Panasonic is working on 8k TVs. They won't sell for 8k though
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    Quote Originally Posted by jet View Post
    Thank god if he existed that time does not stand still or we would all be still using VHS , I'm definitely looking forward to the first tests to see how it really is.
    Don't hold your breath since there are no commercially available 4k monitor yet to view it on.
    Quote Originally Posted by cgbier View Post
    Panasonic is working on 8k TVs. They won't sell for 8k though
    Closer to 500K the last I checked but whats a few hundred grand here or there.

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