the t2i only has SD monitoring as far as I know.. someone correct me if I am wrong.
the t2i only has SD monitoring as far as I know.. someone correct me if I am wrong.
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Nope, depends on your monitor. An SD monitor will display SD, an HD monitor will give you HD.
I mean, the camera's functionality. As far as I know the t2i/t3i/60d do not have the abilty to output a 1080p signal via HDMI to an external monitor DURING recording. I believe it will downrez it to 480p on those cameras, or you can output with just SD. the GH2 does 1080p monitoring via HDMI while recording.
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Gotta remember the manufacturers are breaking new ground faster than they can keep up. One: Canon never expected motion picture in their 5D MkII to "take off" like it did. The next DSLR they produced was a disaster motion picture wise, The T1i. I had one, the motion picture implementation was so crippled they should not have bothered.Originally Posted by Almohada
The 7D was much better (and at a much heftier price, too) but the 7D will output HD to an external monitor while recording. The rest of their DSLRs with motion picture will show HD while you set up but it drops to 480 when recording starts.
The tiny screens: I trust them, but I've learned to not use them without a loupe with magnifying eyepiece. I can focus and setup exposure using them. Not a problem.
I've mostly either had to work by myself or with a very small crew (and most of the time none of them knew much about what was really going on - that gets really frustrating) so I've not had the personnel "resources" to even try the video village concept.
What you find hard to see is that EVERYONE is going to have to "go that path". Otherwise they are literally going to be left "sitting in the dust" wondering where the rest of the industry went.
Motion picture film cameras are NO LONGER BEING MADE! The companies that have been manufacturing them are all now scrambling to produce digital motion picture cameras that record to flash media, that's where it's going. Arriflex has had Alexa on the market for well over a year now, Red has had the Red One and Red Epic (Peter Jackson is filming "The Hobbit" with 48 of them mostly in 3D pairs). Panavision film cameras are all but done, Birns & Sawyer just auctioned off all their rental inventory...
...It goes on...
Right now the vast majority of TV production and 1/3 of feature motion picture production has gone digital. Film cameras already out in the field will be maintained as long as film is being made but there will come a day when that is no longer economically feasable.
It's happening.
And the DSLR revolution you dislike so (and it will come to an end too) represents what a lot of us can afford. I sure as heck can't afford an Alexa, Red Scarlett, EOS C300 (and the 4K resolution EOS C series will be well out of my budget, too) so for me it's the 60D's and whatever Panasonic keeps available with the GH line.
I adapt.
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Aye! Aye! Coupled with the ability to take high quality stills. Interesting side note, perhaps. I visited the World Press Photo site. It's worth doing to see the gains in acuity. For example:
2011
http://www.worldpressphoto.org/photo...-3?gallery=890
1982
http://archive.worldpressphoto.org/s...oord/year/1982
Now you can find examples of soft and sharp in each year but generally speaking the vagaries of film lead to a softness of image. The intrinsic value of archived images themselves is not in question but our ability to render our world more readily and perhaps more clearly thanks to the democracy of digital seems certain.
I don't know about the GH2, but so far, HDMI output on the T2i is downscaled to 480. It's still gives a usable preview for focusing, but it's never like the HVxx which outputs 1080i out of the HDMI port.
The reason why only the 7D (and 5D and 1D) output full HD through HDMI is cos they have 2 graphics processors, all other Canon DSLR's only have one and therefor can not record AND output HD simultaneously.
That being said, a 480p output is more than enough to judge focus, exposure, brightness and contrast. It's easier to work with than using a loupe (but you lose a bit of the portability). What Magic Lantern adds is that you no longer have the 2 second delay between pressing record and the external monitor switching to rec mode.
@ Bif : the logical next step from a DSLR to a (pro) digital camera would be either the Panasonic AF100/101 or (better) a Sony F100.
Will cost a tiny bit more than 2 5D MkII's, but no more aliasing and moire, plus you can use FD lenses again and get pro audio inputs. I'm testing one earlier next year for a documentary I'm shooting in 2012.
Mind if I join you?
I seem to prefer the Sony's codec over the Pana's.
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No problem ! Based on what I've seen and read about both cameras so far, the Sony FS100 is the winner.
AF100's are already popping up on the second hand market too, for prices sometimes as low as $3000. My guess is a lot of those people are not really happy and are upgrading to the FS100 (or other cams).
I'm probably going to go with the GH2.
For my purposes/goals it has the features I want.
- HD monitoring while recording - check
- Movable LCD - check
- small size - check
- ability to mount almost any lens including PL mount cinema lenses - check
My goal would be to also budget in a PL mount adapter from hot rod cameras (about 1400.00 for the kit) and rent cinema lenses on my next feature. I may pick up a t3i later on, for stills because I remember my gh1 being fairly crappy as a stills camera in comparison.
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You managed to link to probably the only person on this planet having something this negative to say.
That guy is a joke, coming from a video background and with a profound hate for anything DSLR-related. He considers the FS100 some sort of expensive DSLR, hates shallow DOF and there's a mass amount of footage proving him wrong.
One quote that says it all "Okay, yes, I admit it, there have been a few films shot with the 5D MK2 that are worthwhile". He probably never heard of stillmotion, Vincent La Foret, Philip Bloom or Shane Hurlbut.
You know I'll be expecting a review on it from you. I'd be especially interested in knowing if you are able to use the exposure setting principles in my article on the GH2 in manual exposure mode.
You know you'd enjoy using the T3i for both stills and video, but you should know that Daniel Rutter in Australia seems to be getting decent stills with his GH1. He's sent a few to me to look over and I don't see a problem with them.
The GH2 is supposed to be improved in that respect over the GH1, comments I see on both motion picture and stills seem to be good. My main caution comes from how well the "color personality" can mix with footage shot with Canon DSLRs.
The trailers and shorts I've seen done with the GH2 look pretty good.
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Not for me. I'll likely be sticking with the DSLR's I use now, may add a GH2 later on. I'm not in business, my involvement is pretty much on a personal level although being a retired professional photographer it will go far beyond family and cats.
Were I wealthy enough to have more money than sense the new Canon EOS C300 would appeal to me a lot.
I hope it does for you what you want. As for me, I never had an FD or FD lenses and never will. Should I need pro audio inputs, the Zoom H4n will do what I need in that respect.
I have some good Canon EF lenses that do what I want for the 7D, 60D, and T3i bodies. My main shortcoming right now is no "crew" to work with. After the holidays I'll "go on the hunt"!
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Yeah. But I though it was worth a look for some balance. And he may have some valid points regarding the ergonomics - the focus wheel on the HV series drove/drives us all mad. Same might be said for some design points of the Sony. All valid information and worth considering.
In that case I would put effort into making an approximate colour preset in an NLE to apply to GH2 footage to closely match the Canon's. Then that preset look could be tweaked to properly match the Canon's footage in any given scene/project.
I'm def. going to give it a go to see if its similar.
I pined on this for a while, and knowing what my goals are the GH2 just seemed to make the most sense. One of my first additional purchases is going to be a PL mount adapter, and I'm going to rent a lense or 2 for a weekend to see how it all works with those, and test out the HDMI monitoring.
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Good man. And good luck. I hope it looks awesome. Try to find some beautiful, 'golden hour' light and interesting subjects. The GH2 is very seductive.
Isn't there a caveat with the HDMI monitoring of some kind? Or maybe I'm thinking about the fact that the HDMI output was originally worthless to record until somebody found a way to use avisynth to extract a flawless 4:2:2 signal. Yummy!
The GH2 is actually a much better stills camera than the GH1 (which wasn't itself bad, although not at the same level as the Canon DSLRs.) If you want something for background plates, lobby cards, or posters, I'm convinced the GH2 would be more than appropriate.
Before you jump ship, do some research on that horizontal single band that shows up on some GH2 cameras on low ISOs though. I think it's a nonissue myself, but you may want to investigate for your own peace of mind. I got your DVD by the way. I still haven't removed it from its envelope (that's how busy I have been.) Will probably watch it this weekend on my HD projector.
That banding is a scary thought ideally is like to make one purchase and be done with it. The pl lenses feature is just so awesome to me. I know none of these cameras are perfect but I dont want to have to do alot of compromising to get good footage. That's one of the things I love about the t2i.
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But doesn't the Magic Lantern hack get rid of it? I don't see why you shouldn't install it...
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The banding issue Az is talking about isn't about Magic Lantern on a Canon EOS, it's on a GH2. As far as I know *(not 100% sure) but there's no Magic Lantern Hack for panasonic yet...
So is he thinking about getting one? From what I've read above it looks like it's the camera that is "WINNING!"
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If it were fullframe I'd have one.
I second that. That's why I'm fine with my T2i at the moment. I can't afford anything better at the moment and I'm please with the results.
It's a tool, you simply have to know how to use it and you'll get the job done properlly.
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