But if there were a panel of three judges and three entries, then a stalemate can still occur. I think it used to be a panel of three primary judges plus a reserve, who's called on to break stalemates.Originally Posted by paperkut12
I agree with Vishus about not using a point system. I don't see the merit. Keep it simple.
No disrespect to the contest organizers, just my 10 cents.
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I seem to remember this issue being discussed a while back and 'the three + 1' method was the one agreed upon. I don't recall any problems with it apart from people agreeing to judge and then reneging. But there's not much you can do about that.
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I believe the point system is the fairest way to mark the films, it allows the judges to give detailed feedback on each film and also gives a way to even out the scores so we don't end up with the old situation where a short with terrible sound and poor story would win on looks alone.
Also having detailed reviews gives the filmmakers an opportunity to get constructive criticism on their work and a clear idea of the area they are strongest or where they lost points and why.
1) Point-System: "the old situation where a short with terrible sound and poor story would win on looks alone." Now tell me why Shaun is declared as the winner in this particular case, uh? It's not a bad short (and no offense Shaun, you'll get and/or already got my point on that) but the story was thin and the sound couldn't easily be compared to other short as it was mainly VO with less than 10 seconds of actual "sound capture". The point-system isn't bad in itself, but let's face it, I gave a higher score to Shaun according to the template...what's in the template already: Post-Production, Sound, Production Design, Cinematography and Story. Shaun got higher score in three out of five category because he put a lot of work in it, but at the same time, his short his lacking two things we've been lauding so far: SOUND and STORY. But we've discussed previously about these two to be as important (if not more) as the other...So Transformers would win over let's say Memento, which has been shot using (note the emphasis) a damn good story and being a way better movie, because it's been more polished in the Post-Prod/Production Design and Cinematography? Doesn't make sense: when I decided to declare Branden as the winner over Vishus for contest #25, it's been stated that the best short should win. That we shouldn't decide on a short based on the technical aspects of it, but:So I thought the same should apply here again: the entries should be judged on their merit. That brings me something to my mind:
2) Detailed reviews are like free film-school. I totally agree with you on that point and we should never get rid of that method when posting comments/reviews/thoughts about the shorts.
But again, as I said, I gave a better score to Shaun according to the criteria that were in the template. But the lacks of story and the "mainly" Voice-Over were two major elements that I took in consideration when I decided on the winner. Here's two other examples I'd like to share just to check and set things clear:
1- Short#1 > One man crew doing everything on it's own and trying his best. Results: average sound/cinematography. Great story, but lacks in other department due to the fact he's alone to do everything. Short#2 > "bigger" buget, top-notch sound/cinematography/post-production and production design. The #2 should win based on the higher score, but let's say that it's some random action movie like we can see on youtube...let's see it's another Beyond Black Mesa? Also, The Hurt Locker won Oscar over Avatar. The later one being technically superior to the first one, which featured a way better story...So, what should be the priority: The content or the container?
2- * Absolutely nothing personal here: What's about Tim being always (or almost) alone to do his stuff with a very limited set of gear (old omputer, camera, sound equipment). He's kind of limited if we compare his short with one of Shaun's. Let's say Tim's entry is better than Shaun's...what do we prioritize? Again, the entries should be judged on their merit not on who did them. But does that means that some users will remain 2nd or 3rd because some other participate and polish their entries a little more? They would have an advantage over others? I remember that also:
That's my 0,02¢
But Draps, since your point scores included 'story,' it makes your conclusion confusing since the two contradict, no?
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It included it, but rated at 50%...I don't know, we've been deciding on the winner by the "whole appreciation of the short" being the best or not. Now it seems to be different and we should decide by the score? Like I mentioned:
My point is that if a good story is technically badly done over a technically good & polished one but badly scripted: which one should we choose?
I maintain that the best of both, having some issues or not in the criterias should win. Otherwise I'll continue to make thin Story and polish my Cinematography. I'll work harder on Sound. I'll put a special attention to details to earn more points in Production Design and I'll spend even more time color correcting my scenes for the Post-Production part. That way it won't be any better, but I'll get a damn high score! (You get the point?)
Is there a rubric for judging - also allowing for subjectivity?
What's wrong with the judges picking the one they liked the best and listing good and bad points?
A balanced critique is a balanced critique. You don't need those silly numbers, IMHO.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I go along with that too. We can judge on points but ultimately the question is: Did we like it? Would we buy a ticket to see it?
Edit: The only thing a judge should not use as a criteria is whether he agrees with the message.
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I'm very confused! I have not been on the internet much because lightning struck my house and I lost the net. As of yesterday we had a poll that Nelson is referencing, but then this morning I got an email from AJUK saying that I had won the contest based off of points total and to send contest #28 topic to both AJUK and Draps. If this is all supposed to be a joke, I guess its not fair to Nelson and I, the ones who actually made the movies, to keep see-sawing us around.
I vote we cut the prize in half and send both Nelson and I half ! LOL
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I'm too. But I decided to move ahead, despite the little disagrements or difference of opinions I had with AJUK recently. So I'll start the next one and as we usually gets roughly 3 weeks to make it, I'll take Huey's suggestion: mid-week deadline. So it'll be on September 22nd and it'll give 4 full weekends to get something done.
As AJUK declared you the winner: Congratulations for the win Shaun, PM us with you adress for the shipping of the prize.
The Winner of the Contest #27 is Shaunp007 for the short "Quotes"
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