whats your favorite method to do slow motion.

[antman]

Without using twixter, whats the best way to do slow motion on the hv30?
A. shoot 60i, deinterlace, drop on 24p time line. But wouldn't that be the same as just shooting 30p? I cant remember, but a long time ago, I vaguely remember somehow converting 60i to 60p, then dropping it on a 24p timeline. I cant for the life of me remember the exact way to do this.

On the Canon, you can shoot 60p, then drop it on a 24p timeline? is there anything else needed to be done like slow it down 40%, or does it do it automatically when you drop it on the 24p timeline?

Would love some help here.

[drapeama]

I'd convert the 60i to 60p in Vegas using a "scan lines" mask and use two separate clip set to "upper" and "lower" respectively and just deplace the lower sequence of one frame: the upper>lower>upper would be all "full progressive frames". They look odd when played normally, but slowed down, you display each individual field as a frame. The I'd edit using 24p.
I should post a video from a test I've made.

[antman]

that sounds cool drap, my only issue is that I use cs4 right now. Do you know of any way to do it in adobe? I typically just slow it down using the rt click, then going to clip speed. It looks ok, but it doesn't do it as good as some of the other methods, and it's only decent looking when you slow down to like 70% or so. I thought there was a plug in, in that freeware that has grain removal, cant for the life of me remember the name off hand, I do remember there was a ton of options you can do within that program. maybe neat video, or the something like that.

[drapeama]

I wrote Vegas, but I meant After Effects. I'm editing it in Vegas after I rendered the files in After Effects...confusing.

[antman]

re read my post, I added to it. thanks

[Almohada]

Haha I just drop it in the timeline and use the simple Speed dialog box in Final Cut...

[antman]

Haha I just drop it in the timeline and use the simple Speed dialog box in Final Cut...

Thats what I have been doing in adobe for ease and quick turn around, but it's not quite as nice as some other work flows I have used in the past. I just can't remember how I did them.

Whats your take on final cut Almohada, I recently got a 27" imac to edit with, but still have not got around to getting finalcut for it. I have used adobe since it came out. So of course Im leary to switch and relearn another editing program. I know the new cs5 with mercury engine is superior, but Final cut has become industry standard in the indi world, their long over due for an upgrade ( not the finalcut x that was just announced, but the suite) (of course Avid is still the 1# editing program as far as big production houses go)

So what do you think? should I get finalcut, or is there a free trial I can check out to see if I like it? any inputs much appreciated.

[Almohada]

Thats what I have been doing in adobe for ease and quick turn around, but it's not quite as nice as some other work flows I have used in the past. I just can't remember how I did them.

Whats your take on final cut Almohada, I recently got a 27" imac to edit with, but still have not got around to getting finalcut for it. I have used adobe since it came out. So of course Im leary to switch and relearn another editing program. I know the new cs5 with mercury engine is superior, but Final cut has become industry standard in the indi world, their long over due for an upgrade ( not the finalcut x that was just announced, but the suite) (of course Avid is still the 1# editing program as far as big production houses go)

So what do you think? should I get finalcut, or is there a free trial I can check out to see if I like it? any inputs much appreciated.

Well before you buy anything I suggest you get a trial version if there is one, or even go to the Apple store to try it out before they put the new Final Cut X on those machines. I don't know, for me it was an easy transition. If I remember correctly, many of the shortcuts were the same as Premiere. It didn't take too long to learn. I'm not a master at it or anything, but I can get around pretty well. It just takes practice like everything else. I don't know why but the Final Cut interface seems so easy on the eyes and easy to navigate now, compared to Premiere. It takes time, but you'll get used to it.

[antman]

thanks man, I will see if there's a trial for it. I dont think I would have enough time to make a decision based on using it at the store, Plus there's always lalalalalalalas dancing around the mac stores these days, it's wicked irritating, and distracting. Not sure who started that trend, but I would like to give whoever did a smack accross their fkn face. lol

[Almohada]

thanks man, I will see if there's a trial for it. I dont think I would have enough time to make a decision based on using it at the store, Plus there's always lalalalalalalas dancing around the mac stores these days, it's wicked irritating, and distracting. Not sure who started that trend, but I would like to give whoever did a smack accross their fkn face. lol

Hah!! Don't forget all those kids taking photos on photo booth.

[cgbier]

No trial versions. But you can remap the shortcuts in FCP to match them with PPro.

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Further down the page is: Method 2: Sony Vegas-only way

[kenkyusha]

Whats your take on final cut Almohada, I recently got a 27" imac to edit with, but still have not got around to getting finalcut for it. I have used adobe since it came out. So of course Im leary to switch and relearn another editing program. I know the new cs5 with mercury engine is superior, but Final cut has become industry standard in the indi world, their long over due for an upgrade.

Antman,

(I'm not Almohada, but...) I just went the other way last year (after years of Final Cut use)- the thing that finally sold me was 64 bit support in CS5- waiting for HDV and AVCHD clips to render on my old dual-core/4GB RAM Mac were a massive timesink. There are a number of similarities between PP and FC, which smoothed the transition (there are still a handful of shortcuts that I do instinctively that are wrong for PP).

All that said, for $299, I'm seriously considering giving Final Cut X a whirl... if it is half as solid as it looks, it might be a good choice (background autorender is calling my name), especially teamed with AE...

Be well,
Jigme

[Krane]

So what do you think? should I get finalcut, or is there a free trial I can check out to see if I like it? any inputs much appreciated.

Final Cut (as you knew it) is dead and it's not coming back. It's industry standard position within the professional market has been supplanted for the much more lucrative and blossoming consumer market.

If you want a professional grade editing program your choices for the moment are Premier or Avid--with Sony Vegas also a contender. From a professional perspective, FCP X is editing software for soccer moms. If that's all you need, the FCP X should do well for you.

[cgbier]

Please define "professional".

[Krane]

Please define "professional".

When people pay you top dollar for your product.

Yes, I know professional can have many meanings, and can have nothing to do with money but may only apply to quality of product. But in this case, that's the way I'm using it here.

[cgbier]

...and why would you think that you can't get paid top dollar for a product built on FCP X, which, to come back on topic, has built in Optical Flow now (about the best you can get for slow mo with non-highspeed cams).

Janke has produced stuff for broadcast built on FCE, I have been producing weddings on Vegas Platinum and FCE.

[Krane]

...and why would you think that you can't get paid top dollar for a product built on FCP X, which, to come back on topic, has built in Optical Flow now (about the best you can get for slow mo with non-highspeed cams).
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I don't think that. However, I do believe that a true artist needs to be unlimited when it comes to his creativity to get the best from his art. You don't get that with a pre-configured editor like FCP X.

In fact, I suspect it may become increasingly more difficulty to convince someone to pay you copious dollars for something they may well be able to configure themselves. The prepackaged formula FCP X is headed in will put a serious crimp in your business production efforts in the future. You'd have to be a short sighted professional not to acknowledge that.

In any event, that's only a concern for the small pocket of pros around. Everyone else should consider it a godsend.

[HueyNRolf]

I've heard that FCP X is pretty darn fast. That's got to be a huge advantage if you're working in a time critical environment. I doubt that TV news editors are overly concerned with 'creativity' and 'art.'

[cgbier]

pre-configured editor

Enlighten me on that one. How many hours have you actually spent with FCP X?

In fact, I suspect it may become increasingly more difficulty to convince someone to pay you copious dollars for something they may well be able to configure themselves

I get paid for delivering a product. My clients don't care how this product came together.
"How many of your clients actually know you edit on a computer?" (Larry Jordan)

Actually, FCP X ease of use helps creativity, as the app stays out of the way in the background.

[Krane]

Enlighten me on that one. How many hours have you actually spent with FCP X?

None. Then again, I likewise haven't spent any time behind a horse and plow but I know there are more productive ways to get the job done. Still, I'm sure there people somewhere that will claim it's the best way to plow a field.

I get paid for delivering a product. My clients don't care how this product came together.

If it works for you fine, I'm just saying it's not something I want.

"How many of your clients actually know you edit on a computer?" (Larry Jordan)

I suppose the creative geniuses at Apple calculated all that quite nicely before they decide to leave it's current group of loyal customers high and dry. Only time will tell it that was a good decision.

Actually, FCP X ease of use helps creativity, as the app stays out of the way in the background.

Well considering the masses that FCP X was designed to appeal to, you may find the disagreements to mine at 100 to 1. Nevertheless, that does not invalidate anything I've said. As for me, I've already switched over the Adobe 5.5 system and have no intentions of turning back.

I've heard that FCP X is pretty darn fast. That's got to be a huge advantage if you're working in a time critical environment. I doubt that TV news editors are overly concerned with 'creativity' and 'art.'

I can remember when garbage collection use to require three. Now it only takes one! Lets just hope their bosses don't feel they're now overpaid?

[cgbier]

None. Then again, I likewise haven't spent any time behind a horse and plow but I know there are more productive ways to get the job done.

Thank you for your honesty.
To counter: We, without knowing a lalala about FCP X, have cut together a 20 minute piece in about half the time it had taken us in FCP6.

You should lay off your snobbism and simply give it a try.

[racer-x]

Not to be snobbish or anything like that, but can anybody whip together an 800% reduction slo-mo on FCPx from 60i/50i so I can see if it's as good as the free Avisynth? Just curious.........

I have yet to see anything better (aside from high speed camera) and that includes Twixtor or MotionPerfect.

[STUDIO32MID]

Am curious here- what NLE software do editors who make the Hollywood movies use? And why their choice? ie are they used to because of long service, speed etc? And what do the top TV stations also use?

[kenkyusha]

Am curious here- what NLE software do editors who make the Hollywood movies use? And why their choice? ie are they used to because of long service, speed etc? And what do the top TV stations also use?

At the beginning of the NLE world, the market was Avid ("do you have an Avid?" is something that that first generation of digital editors report hearing from clients who). FCP made some major inroads (due in part to vocal support from folks like the Coen Brothers and Walter Murch as well as not being tied to proprietary hardware in the same way that Avid of old was), with things like Edius, Premiere Pro and Vegas as outliers...