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    Okay, appologies for the late reviews, I hoped to get these up last night but I've had a heck of a week.

    Overall this competion offered up an interesting group of films, and I was surprised by how different filmakers interpreted the 'horror' theme. Its a shame we didn't get more entries, especially with the extended deadline.

    For me there was one clear winner, and that was 'She's not gone' by Randy Smith, although it was flawed in terms of story logic, it did have some great atmosphere and some nice genre touches and effective practical effects.

    More detailed feedback on each film below.



    "She's not gone" – Vishus – Randy Smith

    Cinematography: 15/20
    Art design: 15/20
    Post-production: 10/20
    Story: 10/20
    Sound: 13/20

    Overall 63/100

    This is very strong entry, I like the simple idea, and it riffs on the ‘creepy woman’ vibe used so successfully in Asian cinema and in classics like The Shining. I love the use of music here; this film is really made by its soundtrack which helps to up the tension and the creepy atmosphere. There were some nice touches, like the wet footprints on the street, and the fact the story takes place in an average suburban house is a nice homage to many of the classic ghost movies.

    The story was simple, but I didn’t find the fathers actions to be particularly believable, especially when he discovers that the woman is in the closet… he just slowly picks up his daughter and leaves the room!? I’m not sure if many people would be so calm if they discovered a creepy stalker/ghost in their kids room. This behavior from the father made me feel that he had either encountered this ghost before, or somehow knew more than he was letting on.

    The build up to the final line was good, but obviously the title of the film kind of gave away the twist.

    Technically the film was fairly well executed, there were a few shots that weren’t level, which I found distracting, especially the opening pan and the handheld shots following the father. The lighting was very dark on the ghost in some of the shots.
    So overall this was an effective film, with some good creepy moments, but let down for me by the details of the story and some of the actions of the main character which didn’t seem consistent or believable. I wonder if some scenes that would have filled these logic gaps were left out due to the need for a short running length.



    "Guitarputated" - Christen Metcalfe

    Cinematography: 10/20
    Art design: 10/20
    Post-production: 13/20
    Story: 2/20
    Sound: 10/20

    Overall 45/100

    First of all, I love the title for this film; it conjures up a real sense of humor and z-movie sensibilities. This video is an interesting one; it feels like more of an editing experiment than a genuine horror short film. I took the narrative to be a suggestion that the guitar was in some way haunted or possessed, and perhaps that anyone who played it would end up ‘guitarputated’ with the numerous shots of the severed hand in the early part of the film either meant as a foreshadowing or as examples of what happened to the previous guitarists. But perhaps I am reading more into the film than was intended.

    Overall: I liked the editing style, this film had a very grindhouse feel and the guitar music helped to give it a Robert Rodriquez sensibility. The editing is really what made this film and the use of split-screen and numerous freeze frame and negative-image effects was interesting.

    The sound was well implemented, and although there were some technical issues and foley like the footsteps which repeated, the overall effect was consistent and worked for the film. There was good use of tripod and dolly shots and other than some soft focus the cinematography worked well.

    Despite being a very simple idea, I believe this film had a lot of potential to be quirky and interesting, the idea of a possessed guitar is good and the film shows a strong sense of shooting and editing style, so with some extra work on the actual narrative this would have been a strong contender. As it stands it felt rushed.

    I look forward to seeing Christians next short, and I’m especially interested in seeing what he does with his editing and shooting style when coupled with a more coherent narrative.




    "o40" - Brendan_pr

    Cinematography: 15/20
    Art design: 10/20
    Post-production: 12/20
    Story: 4/20
    Sound: 12/20

    Overall 53/100

    This film got off to a great start, I especially liked the staccato editing style and the multiple overlaid imagery, and the look of the main character with his plaster cast and that nervous scratching tick was good. However, after he left the garage the film seemed to lose focus, the other two characters, the zombie(?) and the masked guy didn’t really seem to serve any purpose. I assume the masked man is supposed to have murdered the main character after unscrewing the lightbulb, but this wasn’t clear, especially as the main character seemed to be enjoying whatever it was happening to him with the lights out.

    So this film was a bit confusing to me, it didn’t really seem to have a coherent narrative, and although the editing style was interesting, it contained several very long shots (especially the shot that holds on the staircase after the main character is out of sight) so editing this down to be within the limits wouldn’t have affected the film in any way that I can see, therefore I’m not sure why it wasn’t within the limit?

    Overall this film is a nice mood piece but not a successful narrative piece. The opening is particularly good and if the rest of the film lived up to the atmosphere created at the start I think you’d have something really interesting here, I wanted to know more about this guy, who was he waiting for? Why was he itching? What was in that bottle? None of these things seemed to play a part in the actual story of the film, and even the guy in the mask didn’t really seem to make sense. With a little more story this film could have been really great.




    "The Danger Zone" - Timbit.

    Cinematography: 8/20
    Art design: 5/20
    Post-production: 8/20
    Story: 2/20
    Sound: 5/20

    Overall 28/100

    This film was a really unusual entry for a horror film competition, it didn’t really seem to have any obvious horror aspects in it? I get that the guy cuts his foot with an axe, but that’s more medical drama than horror unless there is some supernatural or ritualistic aspect to the story. The title had me wishing for some Kenny Loggins on the soundtrack

    The shots of the barking dogs and the quizzical cows were cute, but if you had edited the film to make it look as if the cows were the harbingers of doom, as if those cows had made the accident happen, then I could see this starting to resemble more of a horror film. Perhaps that killer cow vibe was the intention?

    On the technical side, the camerawork suffers from being that single locked off shot; making it obvious you are shooting on your own. Clearly that is a difficult limitation to work around, and you did a very good job of framing your action considering you had no way to look through the camera. Adding some camera movement in post to would really help to add some life to the framing, a simple post-zoom or pan would really help, and if you shoot 1080 and edit 720 then you could do that easily as you have extra resolution to play with. As others have noted, some grading would really help the visual style of this film.

    So, this film was good work considering the limitations you have to work with, but overall it didn’t feel like a horror film to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJUK View Post
    For me there was one clear winner, and that was 'She's not gone' by Randy Smith
    I reckon that it's a very good entry, but knowing what Vishus can do..I was hoping for a little more.
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    So, is there a split vote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drapeama View Post
    I reckon that it's a very good entry, but knowing what Vishus can do..I was hoping for a little more.
    I believe entries should be judged on their merit, not by who did them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paperkut12 View Post
    So, is there a split vote?
    Looks like so. I'd find it too easy to claim Vishus as the winner, knowing what he's able to do compared to what he did here, and for one reason: let's say we have Me, Vishus, Daniel and Shaun that enters contest along with less experimented user, it would probably be often the same users that would win? So it wouldn't be attractive for other user to compete, knowing that more experimented user often wins. That's how I see it, he ran out of time and packed up a good but average job. I've been the first to dissaprove my entry as a first place compared to charlie's entry, as she put way more time and work in it than me. It wasn't a challenge for me...I might not be seeing it the right way though.
    Still waiting on our backup decisive vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vishus View Post
    I believe entries should be judged on their merit, not by who did them.
    You're probably more right than I can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drapeama View Post
    You're probably more right than I can be.
    I totally get where you're coming from, laughs, I just disagree.

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    I agree with Vishus. It should just be judged on the short alone, not the improvement from a past contest (although mentioning that wouldn't hurt, just not part of the judging criteria).

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    Drapeama is sort of saying that he punishes Vishus for great potential.

    I say, as a judge he has been given the power to judge as he finds correct. As long as he is open and honest about how he works he has my full support. The problem is a true dilemma only if a judge keeps it as a secret what he values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockDonkey View Post
    I say, as a judge he has been given the power to judge as he finds correct.
    Absolutely, and I don't think anyone suggested otherwise.

    We are just waiting for the final judge to weigh in and then we will have a winner for this competition, in the meantime I will be announcing the next theme shortly, keep 'em peeled for the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockDonkey View Post
    Drapeama is sort of saying that he punishes Vishus for great potential.
    Well, there's a little controversy about my review and the way I judged the last entries, if you guys would prefer a more impartial judges then we could just cancell my review and ask someone else to do it for this one, there's no problem with me!
    Anyway, let's wait on the final decision, I don't want to start a fight that will end in a personal vendetta because of something I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drapeama View Post
    Anyway, let's wait on the final decision, I don't want to start a fight that will end in a personal vendetta because of something I think.
    Judging is subjective. I just watch them all and rank them in order of the ones I liked best to least. After that, I flesh out some comments. I thought some people might be curious why I ranked Timbit second, since his movie is very modest and technically not as advanced as the my third and fourth rated. Truth is that I just happen to like it better than those two.
    Everyone has different tastes and therefore a different way of judging. I, and I dare say others, respect your decision, Draps. Keep up the good work. I'm sure there'll be no vendettas.

    So do you have a third judge yet? Put out a call here and this contest can get wrapped soon.
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    We had a third judge but unfortunately he's not posted his reviews or replied to mails. With our backup judges unavailable we have decided the best way to wrap up competition #25 is with a public vote. Please take a few minutes to head over to:http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?4...er-Public-Vote and vote for your favourite.
    The vote ends tomorrow so don't miss out
    In the meantime, the next competition is already announced, so check it out and get started on those films!
    As Huey mentioned, we are also now seeking a replacement third judge, so if you'd like to get involved please just drop a PM to myself or Drapeama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJUK View Post
    As Huey mentioned, we are also now seeking a replacement third judge, so if you'd like to get involved please just drop a PM to myself or Drapeama.
    Feel free to show your interest as a judge and be part of our team.
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    The public vote is in and the winner of Antmans #25 is Vishus with "She's not gone" narrowly beating Brendans "o40" to the win. Congratulations Randy.

    I can't wait to see what you guys come up with for the "Noir" competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJUK View Post
    The public vote is in and the winner of Antmans #25 is Vishus with "She's not gone" narrowly beating Brendans "o40" to the win.
    Congrats to Randy for the first place!
    Good job Brendan, you really did a good improvement since the last short you did!
    I'm glad Tim entered again even with some complications.

    Let's see what people will come up with for the next contest!
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    Quote Originally Posted by drapeama View Post
    I'm glad Tim entered again even with some complications.
    I'm sorry I couldn't have developed a better storyline, but the time restrictions put on by haying are killers...

    Good job, everyone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbit View Post
    ... the time restrictions put on by haying are killers...
    Ahhh, the haying...last time I did it I was up there receiving all that stuff...it was hot...and I was only helping a friend at his farm.
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    Late, but here are my thoughts on the entries from this time around!

    Guitarputated: Put make-up on the prop-arm by the wrist where the text is! The satanic thing didn't come across for me, but I did get the vibe through your edit and shots, that the guitar had a consciousness of some sort. Interesting short!

    The DangerZone: Interesting take on the song. It would have been cool to use the cows as the evil force in this movie, and they willed him to do it, or something along those lines. I'd like to see the cows used in a future short. Maybe they're witnesses that a detective tries to interview for your Noir entry?

    o40: First, I'll say that there was no way that this needed to be over the 5 minute limit. But, onto my review There was some nice atmosphere created up front. My take on it was that the colour-grading was to put us into the shoes of the characters. There was some nice framing and well shot stuff. Some of the shots lingered, and could have been cut earlier.

    She's not gone: A little reliant on the cut to black between scenes. Outdoor soccer scene a little blown out. Audio gets a little hot in some scenes. Not the most original storyline!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJUK View Post
    The public vote is in and the winner of Antmans #25 is Vishus with "She's not gone" narrowly beating Brendans "o40" to the win. Congratulations Randy.
    Thanks guys! I am working on a slightly cleaned-up version of the short. One with colour-grading, and a lot more care taken with the audio. I'm also treating the eyes of my ghost, and adding better end credits.

    I was happy with the way it turned out, I know Draps was hoping for more in the lighting and art direction department, but considering we shot all of the interior scenes during the day, blacked out the windows and then relit everything I was pleased with the look (shooting with an 8-year old, we had to be done with her parts early). There were a LOT of different lighting set-ups. I do not have a lot of experience shooting for the dark look, so I learned a lot. Mostly, book more time

    I'm glad that it seemed people liked the music. As I was short on time, I bought some music I had my eye on for a while. I did not have time to search for free stuff, so I just paid up for some music I had heard before and thought would fit.

    As for AJUK's comment that the father knew more than he was letting on… YES! We had 4 rounds of the script, and there was a version that addressed this very explicitly, but pushed us over the time limit, and would have been a completely different location for our shoot. Sorry about that, it bothered me as well, but I wasn't sure how the audience would react to it in a short film, or if they would just move along in the story.

    Laughs, and yes, the title gives everything away as well, I have been trying to come up with a new title for the new edit that I'll be posting to YouTube, but I haven't come up with anything as compelling. If you guys have any ideas, I am all ears!

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    What camera was used on "She's Not Gone?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sigamy View Post
    What camera was used on "She's Not Gone?"
    It was the Canon 60D. Thanks for checking out our short!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vishus View Post
    It was the Canon 60D.
    When did you upgrade from the T2i? Or was that the job's camera?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drapeama View Post
    When did you upgrade from the T2i? Or was that the job's camera?
    About three weeks after I got the T2i. I got a great deal on ebay, and the lack of swivel screen and audio control were deal-breakers for me. Really glad I made the switch, as I have used other people's T2i's since, and while it is still a fantastic camera, I really missed the swivel screen and having more controls readily available on the dials.

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    If anyone is interested, the sound has been reworked completely, colour correction has been added, a digital effect or two added, and end titles completely redone.

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