Shoot, Capture, Render Settings

[El Cuajinais]

I have a HV30 and plan on editing in Vegas Pro 10. Is there a one-stop place where I can learn all the different formats and how they relate to shooting, capturing, and rendering video?

Here is how I would like to distribute my final videos:

1. High Definition DVDs. I would like to get BlueRay quality on my stack of blank DVD's. I know DVD's fit A LOT less data than BR's but initially I will just be fooling around making short music videos. Is it possible to make a 4-minute DVD that has the same high definition quality as a BlueRay?

2. BlueRay Discs

3. Vimeo Uploads

For these three types of distribution is it worth it to get into the whole pulldown removal mess? I'd like to make my videos look like film, but the horrid way movement looks at the 24P setting makes me not want to shoot at that setting. I find the 30P setting looks like a good compromise between the 60i and 24P. Does removing pulldown correct that weird look of moving things in 24P? If I doesn't I don't think I will bother with the 24P setting of the HV30.

Does the native 24P of the HV40 makes movement look better at 24P?

Thanks,
Jorge

[HueyNRolf]

1. High Definition DVDs. I would like to get BlueRay quality on my stack of blank DVD's. I know DVD's fit A LOT less data than BR's but initially I will just be fooling around making short music videos. Is it possible to make a 4-minute DVD that has the same high definition quality as a BlueRay?

Yes, you can get a BluRay on a DVD, but it will only play on BluRay player.

[Khaver]

The jerkiness you're seeing with 24p is because the shutter speed was faster than 1/48th of a second. When you shoot with a shutter speed of 1/48th of a second, movent gets slightly blurred and you don't notice the jerkiness. I you shoot at a faster shutter speed, you tend to see each of the separate 24 frames in a second because without the blurring movement jumps between each frame. Most film cameras (ie, Hollywood films) shoot at 24p with 1/48th of a second shutter unless they want that jerky look (Gladiator, Saving Private Ryan, etc.). Shooting video at higher frame rates can still have a filmish look if you keep the shutter speed low so you get blurred movement. If the frame rate is higher and shutter speed is higher you get that "Soap Opera" look.

[charlie_tango]

Yes, you can get a BluRay on a DVD, but it will only play on BluRay player.

Yes. Bluray on DVD discs use UDF 2.50. You can play it back on your computer, as long as you're running Vista or Seven.
There's a tweak for XP that you can install file in the system folder to be able to read that UDF format.
On standalone players, only some bluray players will be able to read these discs, usually wrote on them AVCHD.
It's a nice format/medium for short lenght videos as it doesn't require a lot of space and there's enough bitrate to give a decent picture quality (up to 18mbps)

[thanks to draps for the infos/translation!!]

[El Cuajinais]

Thanks for the replies. I assume I don't need a Blueray burner to burn the DVD's I intend to play on a Blue-Ray player right? I did some live shutter speed tests by connecting my HV30 to my LCD TV through HDMI. At 1/48 shutter and upwards the stutter was awful. At 1/12 and 1/6 it looked like the blurred Gladiator stuff you mention. At 1/24 is was somewhat like a cross between the two but still looked bad. I'm curious to know if native 24P has this bad stuttering too.

[Khaver]

1/48th shutter at 24p was what I meant. That would mimic a 180 degree shutter in a film camera.

[Krane]

I have a HV30 and plan on editing in Vegas Pro 10. Is there a one-stop place where I can learn all the different formats and how they relate to shooting, capturing, and rendering video?

When you say place are you referring to tutorials? There are books, disc, and websites that do this very well but some may be pricey.

Here is how I would like to distribute my final videos:

1. High Definition DVDs. I would like to get BlueRay quality on my stack of blank DVD's. I know DVD's fit A LOT less data than BR's but initially I will just be fooling around making short music videos.

Is it possible to make a 4-minute DVD that has the same high definition quality as a BlueRay?

No! Though it can be done, there is a great compromise in quality.

2. BlueRay Discs

3. Vimeo Uploads

For these three types of distribution is it worth it to get into the whole pulldown removal mess?

I don't think so. But there are lots of opinions that believe otherwise.

I'd like to make my videos look like film, but the horrid way movement looks at the 24P setting makes me not want to shoot at that setting.

Then you have to make a choice. That's just part of video.

I find the 30P setting looks like a good compromise between the 60i and 24P.

A useless gimmick as far as I'm concerned.

Does removing pulldown correct that weird look of moving things in 24P? If I doesn't I don't think I will bother with the 24P setting of the HV30.

Now you're getting the hang of it.

Does the native 24P of the HV40 makes movement look better at 24P?

Thanks,
Jorge

That's a decision you'll have to make on your own. Shoot the footage and decide for yourself. It has advantages as long as the scene is pretty static.

[ejolson]

Some blu-ray playars do not play high-definition content from DVDs. All AVCHD compatible blu-ray players will play AVCHD high-definition content from DVDs. Many blu-ray players are not AVCHD compatible. DVD Architect does not set the AVCHD flags when mastering high-definition to DVD, so one needs to patch the image for it to play on some blu-ray players. It should be possible to fit 30 minutes of high-definition video on a DVD. Due to compatibility issues I would not consider trying to distribute or sell such DVDs.