I'd also suggest that participants let us guess what scene it is. Some will be obvious others less so.
I'd also suggest that participants let us guess what scene it is. Some will be obvious others less so.
Looks like I am doing one for sure, but the one I really want to do is still dependant on finding the right actors.
Good to see some people actually taking this as a viable option. It makes the bickering look pathetic
Steady as she goes, Daniel.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I've been following this contest for quite some time now, I've put in a couple entries, and I've seen it go from something great to what it is today.
Daniel - while you've done a good job keeping the contest doors open, the reality is that you aren't well suited for the task of running this competition. It's time for you to step aside and allow new leadership to come in that can stand above the bickering, not succumb to it and not deny basic and sensible requests.
If this contest is going to survive and prosper - it needs new leadership. The amount of discussion here proves that people do care and aren't lazy and ungrateful as Daniel suggests.
When we have new leadership and contest themes that make sense - I'll compete again. Until then I keep checking back every now and then to see how it's going - and it's not good.
Last edited by Royer Films; 2011 March 24th at 11:14.
Now that's you've mentioned what one can do, I can see your point a bit better.Originally Posted by Daniel Rutter
I love the sounds of that!
My skills are vast, rendering me capable of too many things.
That's right, so I'll say that yeah, I haven't been much respectfull in what I've said. I still think that Daniel is a bit stubborn the way he runs the contest but that's me.
So, my appologies, but I didn't changed my mind: this contest is for fun as we don't win anything except, like Daniel said, "admiration" and/or "respect" from other members, so it doesn't need to be that "official" or "serious". In the end, why just doesn't make it more "light" so there will be more chance to get more people involved in it? My opinion.
1) Ok, you got your points, I got mine and people got their too. I'm wrong, you're too and people seems to follow the wave these times just like sheeps. Nobody is more right or wrong than anybody else. In the end, you or anyone else wouldn't do a better job because there will always be someone to complaint about something, me first it seems. Then again, my appologies. I told you my points as I see them, take it or leave it, as you wish.
2) That's nice from you, especially after what I've said previously. But I still maintain that this contest is purely for fun: what's the point for someone to subscribe to the forum, making a short according to the theme/restrictions and win it? He'll win respect, he'll get positive/negative criticism from experienced people like Bruce and others. Ok, that's a good thing you'll say, of course. But what's the real point of this, he won't ever see these users for real. It's not like winning a contest and earning money from it and maybe being known by people in the industry, that would be another story. But this forum, being as great as it is, won't get you further on your filmmaker's way. It will help you to improve, like it did with me, but it's only some "virtual respect/admiration", that's all what it is.
Sorry for telling it that way, but it's only what it's really is. That's why I said my points. The deadline is a great thing to keep and respect in the contest, I agree. But as NOBODY here is doing this full-time and that most of the people entering have either school or full-time job and are not working on this like a professional filmmaker would do: full time, then, why don't just taking this contest a bit less strictly?
My points. But for now I think I'll work on personal projects and post them in the footage subforum instead. I'm not frustrated, but the trailer contest did a bit disapointed me as the next contest has been started before a winner has been officially announced. And I'm not telling this against you Bruce, I know you didn't do that on purpose!
Anyway, good luck to everyone entering this one!
Is it safe to assume that the rules for copyright and PG-13ness are out of the window for this one? We are using other people's scripted works after all...
No, you must use a G rating and record sound effects and music with your mouth for added challenge. I kid, but seriously, I would think it would be out the window. Depending on what you film a piece of music might be pivotal to a scene. I wouldn't feel too bad about using other people's work as long as you credit it as you see in many fan films.
Drapeama: I agree with you about the contest needing to be about fun. As you said people have other obligations and the more open it is the more likely people will join and work around their schedules with less restrictions. I was looking forward to what you would do with this one if you would have made something, maybe you will!
+1. Even if you do it out of competition.
Yeah, that's my main point to be harsh or worst...: I work 40hrs/week for 3 week with 2 days off and then I get a whole 7 days off on the 4th week...count it the way you want, it doesn't give me as much time as other people to work on something. Anyway, case closed.Drapeama: I agree with you about the contest needing to be about fun. As you said people have other obligations and the more open it is the more likely people will join and work around their schedules with less restrictions. I was looking forward to what you would do with this one if you would have made something, maybe you will!
Yeah, I really pushed for this theme, and even if I disagree on some points...I really want to make something for this one. As I told to charlie, I'll probably make a NCE and skip that "twist" thing...I, and many others too, wanted a theme about "recreating a scene", that's all. If users want to "revisit" a scene, then up to them, but the main idea was to remake a scene from a movie, straight...line by line, well, that's how I see it.
I'll try to work on something for this one, even if the interest isn't as it's been in the past...
Good to see you considering it, Drapes. Also, who will be judging this contest? I'm sure that's planned.
You should still try and throw in an entry even if it's non-competitive. Each film will get their feedback even if it's not eligible to win (not that there's a lot to win besides respect as said).
Another thing, what happened to the winner's film getting a thread in the footage section? I don't remember the last time that was implemented..Maybe that should make a comeback and give the winner's submission a little bit more recognition.
1) Yeah, I'd find that a bit disapointing not to do anything as I wanted that theme so much.
2) That's right, that's actually the only thing you can earn from this contest for now!
3) As Daniel was the one that was managing it, I'll let you guess that if he's busy with the contest, that's not a priority.
Maybe an "Archive Moderator" should be announced, to help Dan with that part at least. Because last time I've checked, it was a bit messy down there.
Hmm. Yes, sure. You think that. Maybe, if thats the way you think... it's best you don't enter this contest, and go find one with more lax rules?
As for the "PG-13" and copyright rules, I have indeed left them out of this one. You will notice I also haven't put limits on the length of your entry, in order to make it EASIER for you to compete
Those of you who seem serious in entering, I look forward to your entries. Maybe I will attempt something just for non-competitive entry myself... it all depends on work and procrastination.
Really? So if the policy doesn't apply to this contest, what was it doing there in the first place?
You know what I think? I think you forgot and are too stubborn to admit it. This happens every time you make a blunder. Guess what else you forgot? A link to the host page on Vimeo. Ah but of course that was on purpose too, right? Anyone who is too dumb to search and find it for themselves has no business entering. You also forgot to include the criteria for judging. And your excuse for that one is?
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Ya know, there are reasons many film schools have adopted the "48 Hour Challenge" concept.
For one thing, it's very reflective of the way many professional gigs come together. If you're hired to direct a music video, you're expected to deliver something creative, exciting and evocative, while featuring the recording artist and their song exactly as given to you, on what will almost certainly be a tight schedule and a tighter budget.
Commercials tend to offer even less leeway: the client may have very particular demands about how their product is featured, and their advertising agency may also be quite rigid about seemingly-minor details to "ensure a consistent branding message across all media" (you should see the BOOKS international companies such as Volkswagen send to their agencies around the world, specifying everything from color, typeface, kerning and point-size of any text supers to how large their logo must be and how long it must remain on screen).
Even guys who wrangle a shot at making their first movie "their way" and beat the odds to achieve box-office success often have to take a follow-up project dictated by the financiers. From re-working a character to accommodate a "name" actor down to soda machines and billboards seen in the background sold for "product placement," in feature filmmaking creativity is often asked to take a back seat to commerce.
There's a lot of competition for any paying production job these days, so you usually don't get very far trying to talk the client out of their ideas. The game is really figuring out how to give them what they want while also finding ways to make it your own. You want them to say, "This is more than we asked for!", not "This isn't what we asked for!"
Besides serving to level the playing field somewhat (everyone has the same amount of time and the same or similar required elements), these sorts of arbitrary limitations can also encourage lateral thinking and lead to surprising solutions: a trite and dull expositional scene may actually end up better if the rules force you to have one character eating a banana or dressed as a rabbi. The most successful 'challenge' films almost always use these required elements as springboards to creativity and incorporate one or more of them deeply, rather than tacking them on as window dressing to a pre-existing idea.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again: running a competition of this nature is basically a lot of drudgery with almost no reward. Personally, I think Daniel deserves a lot of credit for slogging on to keep it going as long as he has. There are X number of delightful and enchanting little films out there now which probably wouldn't have been made without his ongoing dedication and encouragement, and I hope he takes some small pride in that. I wouldn't blame him if he decided to pack it in, but I think that would be a shame.
Yes Huey, I forgot the link to the page... I'm still yet to sort out a proper "format" to sort these posts out. I didn't, on the other hand, forget to put the rules there.
Huey, I will say it again... you have no business judging my way of doing things when you lost your rights to run this contest. Don't like how I do things? Message Erik Bien and complain to him. Or, in fact... complain to Mal or Lunchbox.
EDIT: Thanks Erik for your input... maybe people will listen to you more than they listen to me.
Understood, thanks for reminding me. I'll let you get on with it. I will, however, tune in at the deadline, to see how many entries you get. Good luck, Daniel!
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
If someone offered, I'd take it into consideration.
Bif has handed in his hat and won't be judging further entries, so I'm looking for another to step in and help us out. If you've got the chops to judge an entry and can loan your time for about 2 hours every three weeks, step up and make yourself known.
What makes you think you'll have entries to judge?
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
What makes you think I won't?
Call it an ol' Guy's intuition, we'll see.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I'll try to get one in as well. I still think that the competition might go on better under new leadership - but that shouldn't stop us from competing. I'll see if I can fit it in.
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