I spent about an hour downloading the trial versions of VideoStudio Pro 1.15GB
and Vegas HD Platinum 148 MB.
VideoStudio Pro kept crashing on install.
And Vegas wants you to basically register to use the trial.
So forget 'em.
No Thanks.
JM
Trial Versions: Vegas HD Platinum & VideoStudio Pro - Both are a BUST!
I spent about an hour downloading the trial versions of VideoStudio Pro 1.15GB
and Vegas HD Platinum 148 MB.
VideoStudio Pro kept crashing on install.
And Vegas wants you to basically register to use the trial.
So forget 'em.
No Thanks.
JM
As Eugenia mentions, it really isn't a big deal. MANY Trial versions require registration.Originally Posted by jmorton
If you're REALLY concerned about privacy make up a name and use a hotmail or gmail email address.
Okay. I'll try it.
JM
Thank you for your encouragement.
I took your advice and reinstalled Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 10 Production Suite.
The NLE accepts Canon AVCHD files. I simply dragged a 24F .MTS clip into the project.
It was one-click simple to set the project properties by simply selecting to make the project properties the same as the clip properties.
I trimmed the clip and output a 24p Microsoft uncompressed .AVI file.
Very nice.
I will work with it again tonight and let you know how PF30 goes.
I think I will not be using Cineform Neo Scene. Furthermore, I think that the uncompressed .AVI file looks better than a visually lossless Cineform intermediate file. "Visually lossless" is a subjective term. I'm thinking I will be getting a better looking output using uncompressed .AVI. For me it is all about the best output. It does look better to me.
JM
I edited a short PF30 clip then rendered it with deinterlacing and I think I checked interpolated.
I exported as an uncompressed .AVI. Looked great. And played pretty good.
I also exported it as an .MP4 and it looked great.
Vegas Movie Studio renders surprisingly quite quickly.
Since I have a Canon HF S200 AVCHD camcorder that can shoot PF30 and 24F, outputting .MTS video, I'll be buying Vegas Movie Studio HD Platinum 10 Production Suite for the same amount of money I'd have spent for Cineform Neo Scene.
JM
PF30 doesn't need deinterlacing. I mentioned this to you in another one of your threads.
Set project properties to Field Order: None (progressive scan), deinterlace method none. Render out to 29.97 progressive.
24F IS progressive. You don't need Neo-Scene to remove pulldown, there is no pulldown in 24F. PF24 is what needs pulldown removed. Since your camera records 24p (24F), you have no need to bother with PF24 or Neo-Scene. I told you this also.
Now, you need to see about installing the Huffyuv codec. Microsoft Uncompressed is overkill and takes up way too much space. There is no need. Rendering to Huffyuv as an intermediate will look identical to your camera footage once installed and configured (easy) properly. It will also use much less space than MS Uncompressed.
If you think Vegas' mp4's look good, you should take some time to learn to use Handbrake for rendering a final output. It blows Vegas away. I only use Vegas for editing now. All my video's final renders are done with Handbrake. It's quite complex, so take some time learning Vegas first. Vegas' mp4's aren't bad, I just like the best compression possible on a final encode.
Last edited by zagnut; 2011 February 8th at 03:19.
You've got that right. There's an excellent thread about Handbrake here and good sample settings here.
I used to render from Vegas using the MainConcept mp4 encoder to Vimeo but I was never really satisfied with the results. Now I encode using Handbrake and host my own videos using JW Player. For hosting purposes I render to 800 x 450 but the file sizes are ridiculous - about 30 MB for 4 minutes! I can go from finished product onto the web in under an hour, with great quality, and do multiple videos in an evening without requiring Vimeo Plus. Bye bye Vimeo, hello hosting.
MORE positive news. I hope this is a trend!!!!
You know, it costs less than $100 CAN for 3 years of hosting plus domain name registration. For that I get 5 GB storage and 50 GB a month of traffic. I use Lightroom to create automatic slideshows from photos, Handbrake for videos and everything goes into protected folders on the server. My customers don't complain that the videos aren't 1280 x 720 p because most of them have older computers that couldn't play them anyway. With JW Player I'm getting 100% of my customers being able to play my videos. I'm pretty sure I'm going to delete my Vimeo and Picasa accounts now. Good times, Mal, good times.
Last edited by Video Frank; 2011 February 8th at 18:38. Reason: typo
If you think Handbrake is good.........you should learn MeGui/x264 settings. It blows Handbrake's limited settings away. I believe they both use x264 as the encoder. MeGui is just more advanced.If you think Vegas' mp4's look good, you should take some time to learn to use Handbrake for rendering a final output. It blows Vegas away.
Last edited by racer-x; 2011 February 8th at 18:19. Reason: spelling
There is no such thing as "Idiot-Proof".........a good Idiot will get around that every time.
Indeed.
This whole Vimeo and YouTube thing reminds me of the days when we THOUGHT we needed AOL or Compuserve's gateway to connect to the internet. Remember THOSE days?
I'm trying to forget those days. By the way, I've got a pile of AOL discs if anyone needs one
Thanks all.
Okay. PF30 needs no deinterlacing. Got it.
I will check out Handbrake and MeGUI.
Hey, Video Frank, what's your URL? $100 for 3 years of 5/50 GB sounds good.
JM
>This whole Vimeo and YouTube thing reminds me of the days when we THOUGHT
>we needed AOL or Compuserve's gateway to connect to the internet. Remember THOSE days?
I do not agree. Between the two, Vimeo's quality is better btw. The importance of Vimeo/YT is their ability to play back on devices, like mobile, Roku, GoogleTV etc. Personally, I'm interested in that discoverability. Plus, Vimeo's quality on TV, from 2-3 meters away is much better than Comcast's. A well-encoded clip on Vimeo looks better than any of my TV HD channels. And honestly, this is good enough for me.
If you don't care about people finding your videos in a way that makes sense (since it's easier to find videos searching in one place), then sure, you can host the video anywhere. But this wouldn't work for me and the plans I have for my videos.
Vegas' MainConcept encoding is good enough. No need to first have to export in an intermediate codec and then re-export in h.264. It's a waste of time for 5% of more quality, if that. As for the project properties needed for Canon camcorders, check my blog, I have one for each mode.
Same here. I rendered a 3 minute 1920x1080 vid two days ago with handbrake. Tweaked all sorts of settings for quality. Did a comparison of SV mp4 and HB x264. SV mp4 was about 175 MB, HB was about 225 MB. Both had bitrates of 10Mbps. I compared screen caps from HB and SV MainConcept mp4 and the difference was night and day.
Sony's MainConcept encoder isn't bad, I just don't think it's great. I'm just anal and want the best quality / most compression I can get. For the average person, it's very acceptable.
JM, do what this lady says. If it weren't for her blog and her time to write it all out, I would never had known what to do when I first started working with my AVCHD footage.
I'm with webserve.ca. It's only worthwhile if you're Canadian otherwise GoDaddy would be cheaper. A link to plan details is here. The 3 year plan with domain registration came in at around ~ $100 CAN. That's way cheaper than using Vimeo Plus and I can host my photography too ( ~ 10,000 images in Lightroom generated slide shows).
I don't want to toss my URL out if that's ok. I've got too much traffic as it is and all of my photos and videos are under NDA's for privacy reasons so you won't see much.
Quite honestly, Handbrake made this possible for me. 99% of my customers don't care about getting "the highest quality". They want good quality, fast loading and the ability to share with relatives around the country / world. By using Handbrake and JW Player I can completely bypass Vimeo - instead of uploading a 150 MB file to Vimeo for conversion I can self-host a file 1/5th the size. Yeah, the video is smaller ( 800x450 vs 1280x720 on Vimeo) but, again, it streams beautifully. I don't hear complaints anymore about choppy or unplayable Vimeo vids.
Exactly. I don't want people finding my videos so it's perfect.
Hosting is a way to get better quality but reliability is a question, to find reliable servers. For example we have our site hosted by brinkster.com , 50GB and there are times they have problems, and last month, they even ask us to upload it again, after some failure, and supposedly our 50GB is too much or so. After some exchange they fixed it themselves. Any other suggestions for a good host except already mentioned above Canadian site?
If HTML5 and WebM videos catches on it should be ever easier to implement videos into web page. I know it is VP8, not H.264, but still it would be only one conversion, check out page source of this HTML5 web page:
http://www.ligh.de/WebM/ ... (Opera 10.62, Chrome or Firefox 4 , right click video and Inspect Elements or check page source for its simplicity)
Handbrake might be good but it cannot load frame server file from Vegas so MeGui is much better choice as for Vegas users.
According to my webstats, 40% of the visitors to my site are using MSIE 6.0. No one is using Opera, Chrome or Firefox 4. 90% are using some version of IE or Firefox. As I said, I'm getting 100% customer sat using small streaming files with JW Player.
I export all of my projects to Cineform. For hosting, I'll export my Cineform master from Vegas via Sony mxf(?) which Handbrake can understand. It's an added step but I'm ok with it - I need a reliable, repeatable workflow and this works for me. YMMV.
Frame server is pretty much very reliable while using it, no need for an intermediate video file, and encoder reads uncompressed values from Vegas timeline.
I agree completely........Frameserving is the best way to go. The only exception I can think of, would be if you're going to do a multipass encode while filtering it on the way via Avisynth. Only in this case does an intermediate start to make sense.
I even got Debugmode frameserver to work in Vegas pro 10 64-bit on Win7-64, not an easy thing to do..........
There is no such thing as "Idiot-Proof".........a good Idiot will get around that every time.
It was easy after I was told how to do it
Path for Vegas plug-in needs to be changed while installing Debug Mode Frame Server, that default path is wrong ,Vegas 64 bit is not inside of that Program Files(x86) folder but Program Files folder
correct: C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas Pro 10.0\
but anyway, still working with Vegas 8.0c (even on that hardware), because I cannot smart render progressive m2t video out of Vegas 10 Pro
Last edited by _Al_; 2011 February 10th at 07:52.
Yes, sometimes an older version makes more sense than a newer version.........we all have our needs and not all versions address those needs.
There is no such thing as "Idiot-Proof".........a good Idiot will get around that every time.
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