No, I believe Rutter is talking about the 2:35:1 Letterboxing that your screen will display. It is EXTREMELY helpful to frame your shots instead of guessing where the black bars are gonna go in post.Originally Posted by drapeama
No, I believe Rutter is talking about the 2:35:1 Letterboxing that your screen will display. It is EXTREMELY helpful to frame your shots instead of guessing where the black bars are gonna go in post.
Yeah, that's for sure. But what I usually do is, like you said, guessing where the black bars are during the shoot. You can always shift up/down your video in post and reframe it to the desired framing. But I recognize that it's something pretty cool.
This question may have been asked but I did a search and did not find it so here goes. Using ML on the T2i, do you get clean 1920x1080 24p or 60i video out of it? I saw somewhere online there may be side pillar bars or other graphics even with the Graphics option set to turn onscreen graphics off. So what is the truth? Is it clean 1920x1080 end to end?
Thanks
It ends up being 1920x1080 once you import the file into your editor or try to play the file in most circumstances. The reason I say this is because it actually saves as 1920x1088. The reason for that is for the frame to have a codec-friendly sizing and the video player/editor just drops the 8 lines. So technically it's not CLEAN but I think what you're trying to get at is whether or not the video you're getting out is true 1080p.
The answer in short is yes. There is no interlacing - it's all progressive. 1920x1080 24p/30p, 1280x720 60p, they're all progressive formats, and that's what you'll get.
And no graphics right? I am looking at doing an hdmi 1920x1080 24p 4:2:2 capture with the Ninja, and I want to make sure that that will be what I will get as I have a t2i on hold for me, but I don't want to buy it unless it will output the clean 1920x1080 24p.
No, you won't get a 1080 24p signal out of the hdmi on the t2i. It is interlaced. And as soon as you hit record it is SD.
What if That option to turn display off is on, and you don't hit record and are recording to a external HDMI capture device. I need to do some green screen and I would rather deal with a pristine signal that matches the non green screen stuff I am shooting on the 7d. I have a t2i on layaway, and if it can't do hat I need it to do, then I am going to take it off layaway.
I'm pretty sure that the HDMI output is only 1920 * 1080 if you include the bars on the side. After removing the bars the cropped picture is about 16% less. This is in stand-by mode regardless of setting progressive/interlaced.
So you are saying the image you are getting is bigger than 1920x1080, and when you crop that stuff out, you will get clean 1920x1080? Again, just want to make sure as I do have a few things that it would be easier to do in green screen, but if it wont stand side by side with the other stuff I am shooting on the 7D to card, then I need to do it in camera, or get another camera and work on matching in the color correction process.
Don't buy the t2i if you're looking to record 1080 24p to an external recorder. It won't do it! There is a ton of stuff all over the internet on this. Do a search for hdmi out on the t2i. Look at sites like Philip Bloom's, dvxuser, cheesycam, and others. This has been tested. It doesn't output 1080p. For green screen, get an HV30 or HV40 and the Blackmagic HyperDeck Shuttle for $327 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Recorder.html). It records 1080 24p, 10 bit, 4:2:2 color space, i.e., uncompressed right from the HV's imager. Will be superb for green screen work with the 4:2:2 color space.
Cool. I have an HV30 so this looks good. Worried about the color space matching but I guess I will have to live with it. Wish you could put color profiles on it but I guess I will have to live with it. Thanks Rszebras. That is what I needed.
Sorry you guys, but most of the info on this current page is incorrect.....
With ML installed on the T2i, you indeed CAN clear the screen of all text and menus. The HDMI port will output a clean 1080p signal that you can feed into a recorder such as the Ninja.
This was one of the main requests by users when ML was being developed, and Alex made sure it happened.
So, monkeynutsjr, the answer is yes, you can do what you want. Don't hit record on the camera, just the external recorder, and your output will stay at 1080.
Are you sure? Do you have the t2i and ML and have you hooked it into a hdtv
Still reading it here, downloaded the files and I think I'll be ready to install it when I'll get the T2i. The cinemascope crop-marks is a reall nice feature. I wish we could have it for the HVs.
A piece of adhesive screen protector foil and a sharpie pen works just as well...
Same would apply to 2.40:1 movies "enhanced" to 1.77:1 for HDTV!A piece of adhesive screen protector foil and a sharpie pen works just as well...
That's what I remember reading and seeing on a number of websites. I have a t2i and ML installed. But I personally have not hooked it up to an HDTV. Perhaps you should read the manual that comes with ML -- or I'll check later. Also, dvxuser has a great thread on ML for the t2i to check out.
Yes
Here's a video showing the output to be 1080i (http://vimeo.com/15792366). Barry Green says, "the Ninja is not for DSLR users. DSLRs cannot properly take advantage of what the Ninja does, because the DSLRs do not output clean video signals, and even what they do output is low quality so it doesn't make much (if any) sense to record it."
But they hit record on the 60D. If you going to an external recorder, you never have to hit record on the camera.
It is true that you get 1080i (I did misspeak on that) because the stream has pulldown added to it. Some recorders will remove the pulldown when recording, and if not it is easy to do afterward without any loss of quality.
In either case, you can record 1080 uncompressed footage out of the T2i, because that's what it outputs when you don't hit record.
How about Barry Green's comment that the output on a dslr is low quality, i.e., that it is not sending a truly uncompressed signal? On an HV30 the hdmi out is uncompressed (to the hdv codec). Barry Green's comment, and others that I've read, say there is compression so the dslr output is not truly uncompressed. I'd have to research it further since I don't have an hdmi recorder. But even a $175 Blackmagic Intensity card can record uncompressed hdmi.
I have a 7D. In his video here he shows getting clean 1080i out of his monitor both on live mode and in both non record mode and record he gets clean hdmi output with no grpahics.
http://vimeo.com/15792366
But my 7d weather in record or non record mode when hooked up to an HDMI monitor it looks like the T2I when record is hit in hsi video. The video is in that black box and I have the Kelvin symbol, picture style logo, another button, quality icon and 192024p, the time and otehr settings are in the left side display. I was only getting the t2i to get clean HDMI output. The red dot wont faze me as I am cropping to 1920x800. So what menu setting to I have on that I am getting all of these displays and my video cropped? Cause it is the only reason I was getting the T2I, and if my 7D does the same thing, then I don't need to buy it.
Okay I had the info button on so when I turned it off, I got rid of the displays. But I still have the black pillar bars on both sides when I hook it up to an hd monitor. So how do I get my 7D to out put the full 1920x1080 from edge to edge like he has in the video link I posted above.
Last edited by monkeynutsjr; 2011 June 4th at 03:46.
This is what I am getting now minus the White box
So how is that guy in the video not getting the pillar bars on the sides, or the gray at the top and bottom?
It's most likely a setting on the hdtv. Perhaps the zoom setting on the tv would rectify the problem.
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