Ouch??Originally Posted by Duke
Ouch??
Thanks, must have changed - or i messed up as usual ;-)
The redmote and the handle are alternatives, both have the same functions, only one of the two is needed. The camera is fully functional with that config, and as far as i know, it was working.But its not shown actually working or even complete. No remote for controls for one thing.
1 and 2 were already known (in the specs), 3 was news, AFAIK. To my shooting style, one ring is enough 99.9% of the time (i don't change exposure mid-shot), but for some ENG folks etc. that's bad news. As far as i know, exposure and zoom can also be controlled with the wheel / rocker on redmote / handle, so it might not be as bad as it seems.Notable comments on compromises to keep costs down made in the clip:
1) No HD-SDI on the scarlet fixed.
2) CF card only, no SSD.
3) One ring to control all three; focus, iris and zoom on the fixed.
Of course, there's always the interchangeable lens version...
*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
It's all so very revolutionary...
What I would worry about is whether you have change something in the menu in order to change the function of the ring. That would truly suck for anything fast paced.
I loved that.
HD-SDI - Nope
4.8-inch LCD - Nope
under $3000 - Nope
set for early '09 - Nope
And its not misleading because its subject to change, LOL.
Well, once it's out we'll see how it works.
I.e. HVR-Z1 has an aperture control knob that's not in the lens. Using it was pretty OK once one got used to it. Controlling aperture with your right hand on the handle (DSLR style) isn't that bad either... in some cases, using the touch screen can also be handy (i.e. when you control the focus via the touch screen anyway).
*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
Epic ships.
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=53099
...well, at least one of them did ;-)
*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
Sony has started talking about the price of their newest HDCAM-SR recorders (in 4:4:4 RGB) they mentioned that pricing should be around £10K for the deck and £4K for the cards.
Not cheap but certainly affordable for a big production company and not $150-$120k. Also much smaller.
Red has released a camera original clip shot with Scarlet 8X fixed lens:
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread....667#post705667
Attached images are from a rough basic color correction i made from the camera original (levels / contrast curve only) - there was motion in every frame, so these have some motion blur, mind you. The shot was exposed for ISO 800, my adjustments make it closer to ISO 1200 or so. First one is the whole frame scaled to 800 pixel width. The second one is a 100%, pixel for pixel crop of the footage. The third and last one is a 100% pixel for pixel crop of the footage when scaled to 1920 pixel width, with photoshop's basic sharpen filter applied - this is how the footy will usually look in a real life project, more or less.
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*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
I'm not terribly impressed with Scarlet footage so far. Seems a bit noisy for ISO 800. Plus there's purple in the mid-tones. I know they're still working on it, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. We shall see.
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To me the footage looks pretty much exactly the way i thought it would be - very nice at it too.
As far as noise goes, this looks rather clean to me, for a 2/3" camera at ISO800 +. Unlike most regular video cameras, there's no noise reduction done in-camera, that's left to be a decision made in post (in i.e. my examples, there's no noise reduction whatsoever). When it comes to color, i'm not too worried about that either: right now Redcine X sees everything as Epic footage, they haven't made the color profile for Scarlet's sensor yet, if i understood correctly.
But yeah, we shall see - it's bound to improve in the future for sure.
*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
Why is the footage just a few frames... does it overheat?
More likely they just want to keep the file size small.
*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
The more footage they release, the more there is for people to over analyze and bitch about.
I agree, and considering they only had a few weeks in developing Scarlet...oh, wait!
Nah, it'll be awesome when they release it........in 2012.....
Heh, it may be released this year, but since Red owners get first dibs, I doubt few non-Red owners will get one till 2012.I agree, and considering they only had a few weeks in developing Scarlet...oh, wait!
Nah, it'll be awesome when they release it........in 2012.....
As nice as it is, I can't afford $6K - $8K for my hobby. Hopefully it will put downward pressure on the rest of industry and we'll get the Canon large chip vid camera we all want at a decent price.
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I've been looking at the requirements for a feature film. If Scarlet can release at $6K it really will be a game changer. What you want for a feature film release is at least 2k resolution. that gives plenty of latitude for a digital master, OR a film out. Scarlet will shoot at 3k resolution, which means actual cinema quality footage. Not just footage that looks good, but footage that actually meets the specs for a feature film release.
Right now, there is no camera that can shoot 2K for $6,000 dollars, or anywhere near that price.
Yea, the Hv40 footage looks good, the 5d Mark II looks even better than that. But that 5d with it's big sensor that shoots really pretty video, doesn't do 2k which is what you really need if you're going to release it on the big screen.
A real, honest to God 2K + camera that shoots actual feature film release quality video for under 10K is just unheard of. It's not dirt cheap, but at that price a serious indie with a very small budget can shoot a feature that is ready for the big screen. Pretty amazing if they can actually pull it off.
We have to see resolution chart tests to say how much the RED Scarlet actually resolves.
I bet it makes a good FullHD image but is not much different from ARRI Alexa... we'll see.
By the way... you don't need 2K for a feature film: Black Swan http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0947798/technical
They've been pulling at it for YEARS already.....I'm surprised it hasn't fallen OFF yet!
Oh, me so naughty!
It's primarily 16mm acquisition, blown up to 35mm, with a 2k digital intermediate. I don't know why they shot on 16. I imagine they had a decent budget, and 35mm would have probably only added a percent or two, if that much, to the total production cost.
What exactly are the "requirements for a feature film"? TONS of movies have been shot in 1080P and released theatrically. "Monsters" was shot on an EX3 through a 35mm adapter, which I would hazard a guess resolves closer to 720P in detail. "Blair Witch Project" was shot in SD on a crappy Hi-8 camcorder, and it found a distributor. So don't be fooled into thinking there's some magic specs you have to meet. The REAL trick is writing a great script, finding some good actors, and giving some solid direction to make a film people enjoy. Then if you're super lucky (and talented) maybe, just maybe you'll get your film distributed. Believe me, the resolution of the camera you shoot with is the least of your troubles. The best camera in the world will not fix a shitty script or terrible acting.
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You'll get no argument from me on that point. However, I have seen some shitty scripts with terrible acting at the theater, and I'm sure you have too. I don't think on top of that you want shitty resolution too. that's just to much shitty, if you know what I mean.
I've had my eye on Monsters ever since the buzz started about that film. Obviously the director is very talented. Have you see the special effects work he's done in the past? It's pretty amazing.
There will be the rare Blair Witch, and paranormal activity from time to time, but I don't think they count as a general rule. How often can you do the "we found this footage in a video camera, so that's why it looks so shitty" routine? Seems to work for one film every decade or so. Not something you can count on.
Love this quote! Made me laugh.
Anyway, the bigger point was that Scarlet with it's 2.4K of res vs. a decent 1080P camera will get you there either way. I wish I could afford a Scarlet but since the price has essentially doubled (from $3K to $6K) since it's announcement it's no longer in my budgetary means. I just hope Scarlet's release applies more downward pressure on the industry in general. BTW, I hope you're not counting on one soon. My guess is even if they manage to get it out for Summer, Red owners get first dibs, so probably the 'unwashed masses' won't have a stab at it until near end of year at best, barring any production problems (Red has never mass produced a camera before).
Good luck on your feature!
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No, you can't count on a Red Scarlet 2/3 sensor release. No telling when that will be available to the general public. I'm seriously considering the ag af100. The footage looks very nice, it has XLR inputs for audio, and supposedly very little if any moire problems, and skew is at a minimum.
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