What if there is no theme? A completely open contest so anyone can enter what they like? That might be the best way to get maximum entries?
The themes are usually prett open anyway, so having a themeless comp might be a good way to kick start things?
I think having no theme kind of strays off from the original idea of the contest. I'm all tapped out on discussing what could be changed and what-not, so I'm just going to see how any rules, or anything else, effects the contest and hopefully things go well. Things are in Daniels hands now, he stepped up so I'll have hope in him to do things to benefit the contest.
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Adding to AJUK's idea of "No Theme":
Let’s have an "Everything Goes" competition at the end of the year.
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I decided to vote "Aye" to this. I would be happy with a prize like the ribbons Vishus made. But then again, I'd be happy with ANY ribbon!!1) "Non Competitive Entries"
In the event that a the winner of the previous contest theme decides to enter the next theme, his/her entry will be deemed "non-competitive". This is to remove the chance and unfair advantage of the person winning again. The person may choose to still participate, and have his entry judged/criticized, but will not be eligable as a 'winning entry'.And I must admit that I did have the advantage of a few hours on everyone during the time I sent the "Book" theme in and it was posted for everyone else to see.
I like this one better.3) "Theme Pool"
Rather than allow the the contest winner to choose the next theme, the manager chooses the theme from a pool of suggestions made by the public. Making it open genre, and not overly limiting. This would allow people to enter without risking their entries being classed "non competitive" (unless it is one of the judges who choose to enter).The prize of a prompt ribbon would be enough for me (I'm trying not to hint too hard Mal. I know you're busy). And...
Coupled with this, I really like the idea!Originally Posted by paperkut12
My skills are vast, rendering me capable of too many things.
Alright, so you guys agree to trying out the proposed changes, seeing how they affect the running of the contest?
AJUK, Bif and I have discussed it... and we've both decided that if you wish to enter the next contest (that idea you submitted to me) your entry will be considered 'competitive'. That theme will run just like previous themes. The contest after that, will be a trial.
For all those people who have not yet received their ribbons from previous wins, PM me please. I will take care of these ASAP.
Thank you all for understanding!
yay. looking forward to it!
The Somnium - Winner of Antman's Film Contests #9 & Indy Mogul 5mmh #9Snoballs Winner of Indy Mogul 5mmh #27
Too open. Maybe have it revolve around one item or object?What if there is no theme? A completely open contest so anyone can enter what they like? That might be the best way to get maximum entries?
The themes are usually prett open anyway, so having a themeless comp might be a good way to kick start things?
You'll never know if you don't go. GO!
That is one idea I will try for a contest. Rather than give a theme, I give you guys an item to include (or several items)... some of the film festivals over here have that sort of thing.
gotta love how some people have been wasting more time arguing and bickering about this contest than they will actually put into filming and submitting something.
I like Bob Sanders' idea: If you win, you get to choose the next theme and be a judge, OR you get to compete on an idea chosen from the pool.
I am fine with things staying at two weeks.
This is not personal again Daniel or Bruce, but I do NOT like the idea of the same two judges contest after contest. I know that they would do their best to remain objective, but we all have our personal preferences, and some of our filmmakers here just won't have the same tastes in films and film-styles as the judges, and could make for a potentially frustrating situation. I see no problem with them jumping in if judges don't step up for a round, but having them as perpetual judges raises a red flag for me.
What about, we have two sets of two judges? One set for one week, and Bif and myself another week?
Here's a crazy idea, why didn't you just leave it alone?What about, we have two sets of two judges? One set for one week, and Bif and myself another week?
The problem with the contest was lack of participation. I can't see anything in your proposal which addresses this problem.
It remains to be seen how your 'tight new rules' will attract more people to submit an entry. I suspect, few if not none. This proposal seems more to do with an inflation of the new contest, sorry festival, organizer's ego, than the good of the contest.
I'm just so over this whole thing, good luck!
Rules are good and necessary to every contest. Thinking of the contest rules on the DVinfo.net forum, they are strict, but yet they have a good amount of entrants.
That sounds better.
But if the option is there to either judge or enter again with the idea from the pool, that is better.
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My skills are vast, rendering me capable of too many things.
Increased participation in the contest: This will have a better chance to happen when the arguing completely goes away.
Who judges: When participation reaches a better level, the moderator/coordinator might want to look at the way it's done for the DVC challenge at dvinfo.net.
The contestants do the judging, each person submitting an entry is a judge, reviews all entries, and emails their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place choices to the coordinator. An entrant MAY NOT vote for their own entry. This system has worked there for 3 years or a bit more without a single complaint.
What could be fairer?
For the UWOL challenge, the coordinator finds an "outside" film maker (usually with industry credentials) to judge one contest. The coordinator also reserves the right to function as an additional judge. This does not look to me to be feasable for us at this point but it did work for Meryem Ersoz for 2 years because in her work she had frequent contact with many industry professionals.
Daniel is doing the best he can to get our contest back on track and working again. I suggest we all just sit back and follow his lead for a few contest cycles. See how it goes.
It might be good for everyone who can to put their "energies" to work on an entry for Vishus' Halloween contest. I and my crew are about to "wrap up" our entry for DVC#19 at dvinfo.net, finished most of the shooting last night, and the extension of Vishus' contest deadline to Oct 30th gives us a good shot at starting on one for that one. My actors are already coming up with ideas and I'm having fun again.
(Marching to the editing bay...)
Bruce Foreman
I am a reforming videomaking addict
grown up people would just go for the contest.
if you don't like the new rules, don't enter. there's plenty of contests elsewhere that will probably cater to your needs.
if you can live with the rules, take your camera and start shooting.
the most adamant critics on these type of posts are the same people who have a +2000 post count but rarely ever post footage.
why would anyone worry about those people ? they'll argue about the rules for weeks, but will never participate anyway.
bickering and arguing does more harm to this contest than just following the current rules and posting entries.
look at philipbloom's contests : he posts a theme, 3 or 4 rules, gives you 2 weeks to enter and that's it. If you don't like it, don't participate and don't argue just cos you got too much time on your hands.
Krewcial, since you allude to one having to earn one's right to opinion about the contest. What gives you this right? Your contributions are?
The same could be said for yourself, mate.
I think I have contributed. Want me to list them, MATE?
Please show me a rule that says one must "earn" the right????
What right do you have that others don't? You need to get a hold of that ego of yours there guy!
Obviously you're not and this all bothers you a great deal. In fact I would say it down right angers you..... I would also say...... HA HA!
Alright guys! Cut it out! Remember what Erik, Lunchbox, and all the other mods have said about arguments???
There was a threat of banishment in the last warning, and the contests closed down.
I think krewcial has hit the nail on the head with the "If you don't like the rules, don't enter". Every contest I've seen has someone set the rules, and everyone else abides by them. Simple as that.
I'm eager for the next Antman's contest (providing I can think of something for Vishus' contest!).
My skills are vast, rendering me capable of too many things.
Whilst I never put it in those words, I am basically saying the same thing. I'm saying to people, that all I want to do... is refresh this contest. If the changes made don't help the contest, then maybe (if the public decide) we'll change back to the old ways. This contest needs a fresh face, and a fresh new place to play.
And basically putting it: If you don't like it, don't play.
I don't believe I've seen a single entry into this contest from you. You may consider running this contest, and making sure a few of them didn't fail "contributing"... but that doesn't give you a right to single people out and tell them "they have no right to an opinion". Considering you were preaching the same thing a few days ago to me, singling out people for the same thing.
So, mate, practice what you preach. Like it or not, you're not apart of this contest anymore. But if you wish to enter it, go ahead... it'll be nice to finally see something from you.
I am over this contest, but for the record, I think you missed the point. My comments were in response to Krewcial's assertion. Go back and read it again. If you have trouble with that, I'll be more than pleased to SPELL it out for you, Bob Sanders and anyone else (not very literate) who misunderstood it the first time.but that doesn't give you a right to single people out and tell them "they have no right to an opinion"
Yeah, I know. Truth is, I will miss the contest. I used to enjoy it.Like it or not, you're not apart of this contest anymore.
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