Me and my friends did a test. We made a parody called "make your **** Bigger" to make a parody of Extense. Got 51k views...rest of the videos. 0.
It's a new generation, we gotta play by there rules.
Me and my friends did a test. We made a parody called "make your **** Bigger" to make a parody of Extense. Got 51k views...rest of the videos. 0.
It's a new generation, we gotta play by there rules.
Do not view me as a critic or a judge. I just tell it how I see it, valuable or not.
Unfortunately, I am a huge South Park and Family Guy fan.
I have been spending too much time on a Model Railroading Forum and Homework. but I'm Back.
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South Park was good till season 9. Matt and Trey realized a whole new crowd of kids was watching there show so they changed it up and turned it into a cartoon for teenage rebels.
Do not view me as a critic or a judge. I just tell it how I see it, valuable or not.
man, this sure has turned into a narcissistic thread of self promotion. Veteran: OKOKOKOK, I give up!! I'll watch your videos!! Jeeeez!! (inside joke)
Awww shucks! Well...ok...but only if you give some well thought out comments and insightful commentary!!!!
Oh wait...nevermind.
Blek.
You'll never know if you don't go. GO!
Youtube is probably not the best place to try to get a decent amount of views, it is so full of shlock.
I find Vimeo to be much better as a platform for showing quality work. I'd rather have 1000 quality viewers than 100000 click monkeys!
Like anything, its important to tune your film to its audience. So many folks start their 3min film with a 30sec intro and a credit sequence! No wonder the audience clicks through.
The internet is the worst environment to watch a film, so your film needs to be snappy and to the point, otherwise they click and its gone!
I'm with you there, Doc!
That's the most Punchable Face since Peter Noone, of Herman's Hermits.
Peter Noone, of Herman's Hermits?
Only old farts like you (and me) would remember him.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
http://www.youtube.com/charts/videos_views
That there is the top ten list of videos on Youtube. I would say that, in that list... there is not a SINGLE video I would consider worth watching. And I'm a part of this younger generation!
strange...
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Dang, I shouldn't have shot my cat to make me that wind muffler thingie...
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
You used your own? I just stole my neighbors cat...Dang, I shouldn't have shot my cat to make me that wind muffler thingie..
Does make me guilty to see those signs up on the power poles though... "Lost, Mr. Fluffles..."
Rotflmao!
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Hahah, I'll pay that, Daniel!
Yeah, you're probably right there, Huey.
Lol
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I am not discouraged by this phenomenon. Short films, in general, are not very entertaining. I'm not criticizing the talented film makers on this forum. I'm just saying the genre, short films, has never been that appealing to most people.
So I'm not surprised that if people are watching content that is 10 minutes tops (now 15 minutes), they prefer to watch vlogs, reality based stupid lalalala, cats in funny hats etc.
Where have short narrative films ever been popular? No where. If they were actually popular and entertaining as an art form, then you'd be going to the theater all the time and paying 7 to 9 bucks to see an hour and a half of short films. But you don't do that do you? Or there would be TV channels raking in the bucks showing short films, but you don't see much of that. It's because people don't want to see narrative short films. Maybe at a film festival, once a year.
I mean look at the comments and discussion on this forum in the "footage" section. How many of the positive comments and in depth discussions are about the content of the films, the subject matter covered? Not much. It's all about lighting, and music, acting, camera angles, moire, DoF adapters, what camera did you use, and so forth.
I think the narrative works best in a feature length film. I view shorts as practice for making a feature. I don't expect them to be popular on youtube, good or bad. Even web series made with professional level gear, talent, and post production, has only modest success.
Look at television. What works for short content? America's funniest home videos. Not America's coolest short films.
Look at TV about the web. Tosh 2.0. More funny videos, just videos posted on the web, before being shown on TV, so you already know if an audience likes them. But not Tosh 2.O coolest short films.
If short films dont' work on TV or the Theater, why would they work on the Web?
Last edited by Gillvane; 2010 August 28th at 12:32.
I think an important thing to remember here is that a good deal of "viral" videos and high-subscriber channels on Youtube aren't actually viewed or subscribed to as much as they boast. Channels (who are certainly not single people) like Fred, Smosh, Annoying Orange, and that Dawson guy pay ridiculous sums of money to Youtube to be placed on the front page. Do you really think Fred was the first person to use pitch-changer on his voice and talk for 5 minutes to a webcam? Certainly not! He was just the first person to pitch-change his voice, and then pay Youtube to make his videos more popular. Online video making, at least on Youtube, has nothing to do with content or quality. These days, it's all about forcing your content down internet-goer's throats through mass-promotion and social networking.
What's almost as bad as promotions on Youtube these days is the tagging feature. Rather than limiting the tags to, say, 20 like Vimeo, Youtube allows an unlimited tag cloud. It's nearly impossible to search for a video anymore due to Call of Duty gameplay videos with tag clouds that contain every word in the English dictionary and more. Kids will record 15 minutes of continuous gameplay with a camcorder, and then post it with a pre-written tag cloud designed to pop up on every search done in the next 10 minutes. (It gets canceled out quickly by others doing the same thing). Because of this, the tag spammers never actually gain views, and people who want to find a less-popular, older video are unable to use the search feature.
Don't feel bad about not being a hit on Youtube. It's not your fault, it's the fault of the idiots who continue to support Youtube by encouraging the creation of worthless, unfunny drivel. Youtube's primary users are 13 and under, and you know how lacking the average 10-year old's judgment is. (No offense Maxwell/AskClifford, being on this forum is the opposite of supporting Youtube spammers).
I just dont' think people want to watch narratives that are very short, whether it's on the net, or on TV or at the box office.
Episodic content, like Lost is 50 minutes, and it has an ongoing story. Features are 80-90 minutes plus.
A narrative under 15 minutes just doesn't engage an audience and they wont' watch it for the most part. Books of short stories dont' sell very well either. People prefer to read novels.
The lack of popularity is not because you're making bad short films, it's because you're making short films.
So do you want to be popular on youtube, or be a film maker? If you want to be a film maker, then make short films and work on your craft.
if you want to be popular on youtube, make a video of a dog or a teen girl talking into the camera about something stupid.
But short narrative films have never been popular, regardless of quality, and they never will be. Even if you win a film festival, a very small audience will watch your short film.
I mean, you're doing this because ultimately you'd like to make a feature film right? The kids on youtube with popular videos arent' going to do that.
Last edited by Gillvane; 2010 August 28th at 14:22.
The sentiment that short narrative films are not popular is true. We should only be making them as art, not for money making or youtube hits. If you want to make money making short films, make commercials or music videos. In fact, music videos shot as narratives can get you noticed for greater things in the future. The music industry is continually gaining new talent who want music videos made of their songs.
A cool video can ad to the song, but inevitably the quality and popularity of the video is all about the recording artist. You can make just about anything look cool with the right music behind it.
Sure, there's videos I watch for the video and not the music, but that's because I'm interested in film making, and in general those videos aren't that popular.
Yes, Huey. I hear you. I agree, too. It's crazy that we spend time discussing the cell-phone trick (do folk still do that?), pulldown, jello, DOF adapters (oh, Lord!), bit rates, and stuff, when folk wanna see Charlie get down on fingers. Or Facebook stuff.
I resolved, more or less, to focus on my audience and try to build it up. I have about 1,700 views on my PARALLAX teaser by sharing it here and with a few friends on Facebook and Twitter. A drop in the bucket, if you will.
Now check this out. You guys know me and know that I put a lot of work into what I do, promoting and hustling. I have a whopping 1,537 channel views and 5,249 total upload views. Hot diggity. My 11 year old son has 3,990 channel views and 8,075 total upload views. Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/scottyhamptonsworld
How in the world is that possible that my son, the one that I taught, whose equipment I bought, who borrows my lights and eats my food (LOL), can surpass me? His audience seems to enjoy his craft more than mine appreciates mine, I guess.
Maybe I should start asking him for tips.
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