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    Default Half-hour edit

    Even though I'm using FCE on a MacBook, I thought this "observation" is suitable for this subforum.

    You might be interested in seeing how a 29-minute documentary looks in the editor, with six video tracks, and as many tracks for audio (4 mics + stereo music)... click to enlarge:

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    Yep, it gets crazy on the timeline.

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    Oh yeah, that looks familiar
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    Yes, people don't understand all the work that goes into a video production. I do a lot of wedding videos.

    I had given a sample wedding video DVD to a potential client; multi angle, full of effects, etc. They loved it!! Then the potential clients mother decided that they would just buy a cheap camcorder and record it themselves. It can't be that hard. I explained that my video quality comes from hours or days of production work, with video edditing software, on the PC. She said that " I don't know anything about that, but the camcorder that we purchased would record to a DVD".

    They are having an outdoor wedding. No clue!!
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    Which camera did you use?
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    I don't see any bins/folders to organize his project, now thats focusing.
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    OK, two questions to be answered:

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    I use a HV30 and a T2i/550D. Audio: up to four lav mics (2 of them to the HV, 2 to a Tascam audio recorder. T2i's AGC is not good for audio...)

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    The project is organized by sequences, about 2-4 minutes per. Each sequence timeline has its own folder, which also contains all the media files for that particular sequence.
    What you see above is a combination of all the sequences into a single timeline. I've just cut & pasted the entire sequence timeline into this one in order to render it all into one file.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    OK, two questions to be answered:

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    I use a HV30 and a T2i/550D. Audio: up to four lav mics (2 of them to the HV, 2 to a Tascam audio recorder. T2i's AGC is not good for audio...)

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    The project is organized by sequences, about 2-4 minutes per. Each sequence timeline has its own folder, which also contains all the media files for that particular sequence.
    What you see above is a combination of all the sequences into a single timeline. I've just cut & pasted the entire sequence timeline into this one in order to render it all into one file.
    What do you render it to, i take it the 2 cams colour has to be matched [after]?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet View Post
    What do you render it to, i take it the 2 cams colour has to be matched [after]?
    I render to HD/AIC, then use JES to make a SD conversion. Final product will be DigiBeta, so the render to SD will be uncompressed 4:2:2.

    I've actually matched the cameras before the shoot... elsewhere on this forum I've posted the values for both the HV and the T2i.

    Very little corrections are needed in post (mostly just brightness) when the cameras are set to a similar balance.

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    I was just wondering which was used, as I love the colouring of the frame in the timeline.
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    Yeah, but that's just what it looks like in early summer here in Finland...

    Take a look at the 7-frame panorama of the town that I shot from that water tower some 8 years ago, with a 2-megapixel Canon Ixus:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...3/Hankopan.JPG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    Take a look at the 7-frame panorama of the town that I shot from that water tower some 8 years ago
    Now that was nice! I can't believe it was only a 2 megapixel camera (I'm assuming the Canon Ixus is a point-and-shoot camera? That's what my memory is telling me, anyway... )!

    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    Yeah, but that's just what it looks like in early summer here in Finland...
    I was looking at the blue of the sky, the green grass and trees... Just a pleasing scene to view. Did you use a polarizer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbit View Post
    (I'm assuming the Canon Ixus is a point-and-shoot camera? That's what my memory is telling me, anyway... )!
    Yup, the IXUS is the European equivalent to the Powershot.

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    No polarizer. The camera was called ELPH in the US. Small, pocketable, great camera, back then.

    Gave it to my father some 5 years ago, he still uses it - he'll be 90 next year, the camera will be 10...

    BTW, did you see last week's Newsweek magazine? They say the world's best country to live in is ... hold your breath now ... Finland!

    http://www.newsweek.com/feature/2010...countries.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by cornreaper View Post
    Yup, the IXUS is the European equivalent to the Powershot.
    Yeah, I knew that... but my brain was trying to tell me otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    They say the world's best country to live in is ... hold your breath now ... Finland!
    Wow. I can now understand though. At least Canada is in the top 5. Though our Premiere is trying to ruin Ontario by allowing housing developments on prime agricultural land. I'll stay out of politics though.
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    What's your native language in Finland Janke(most commonly spoken)?

    Also is the church in the timeline screen shot the same one that's in the middle of the 2Mp Panoramic; from the reverse side?
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    Nice arrangement. I might mimic that on my computer!

    How did you need 8 tracks of video?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingDucky View Post
    What's your native language in Finland Janke(most commonly spoken)?
    I'm thinking it might be Finnish

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    Default A bit OT, but answering your questions...

    Quote Originally Posted by Timbit View Post
    Premiere is trying to ruin Ontario
    Well, I sure won't let Final Cut ruin my home town or country!

    To address the other questions:

    Finnish is spoken in Finland, of course, but my native tongue is Swedish - we're a bilingual country. The Swedish-speaking minority is less than 5% in Finland (but well over 40% in this particular town). I do consider myself tri-lingual, adding English. Had 8 years of that in school, and have been speaking/writing English with foreign friends all these years...

    Cliff, your coffee (or whatever) is too strong - not eight video tracks, I said six, and there are only six in the picture, too...

    Well, at times I have two "real" picture tracks (for intercutting two cameras), and on top of them four text tracks for the names of the people in the shot. Two names, two titles in a different font, and blurred drop shadows behind the letters. (I use the simple built-in text generator, not Live Type - no rendering problems...)

    Yes, the church is the same, from the other side. Church and water tower were rebuilt after the Soviet occupation during WWII. My documentary is addressing that subject, too. The town, and the subject of the movie, the summer camp for boys (where my grandparents worked and lived the year around) had to be evacuated in 10 days when the Russkies took over. The area was in a horrible state when it was regained some two years later.

    For more about the town Hanko, go to wiki:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanko
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    No polarizer. The camera was called ELPH in the US. Small, pocketable, great camera, back then.

    Gave it to my father some 5 years ago, he still uses it - he'll be 90 next year, the camera will be 10...

    BTW, did you see last week's Newsweek magazine? They say the world's best country to live in is ... hold your breath now ... Finland!

    http://www.newsweek.com/feature/2010...countries.html
    Could be right in summer,but why do they hide under lorries in the thousands to get here.

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    The winter cold keeps the riff-raff away...

    But you are all welcome to visit, anytime, especially when it's -40°C (which also is -40°F)...

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    Janke, will anyone be able to see your documentary (YouTube, Vimeo, etc.) or is it for Finnish TV only? I'm curious because my family on my fathers side came from Finland. Our last name is Hango. I'm sure they all would be interested in your doc. Also, do you happen to know the origin of the name Hanko/Hango? It's one of those names that doesn't really sound Finnish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    Well, I sure won't let Final Cut ruin my home town or country!
    Hehe! His name doesn't happen to be Adobe though...

    Quote Originally Posted by Janke View Post
    But you are all welcome to visit, anytime, especially when it's -40°C (which also is -40°F)...
    It get's down into the -35C (-30F) at times here, but it actually feels colder as we have the humidity. Snow squeaks, the air is sharp, water pails freeze solid... The GREAT CANADIAN WINTERS!
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    Where about are you, Timbit?

    We might get -20 in the city, but that's only a few days per winter.

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