FCP X, Motion 5, Conduit. I'm glad someone here likes FCP X, it's gotten a bad initial rap from FCP'ers (understandable due to Apple marketing strategy viz. FCP 7). Despite the bugs, crashes, limited third-party support at present (not so different from early FCP releases way back when the Avid users were laughing at us), I can't go back now, I'm hooked on the "new" speed & interface. So yeah, you go kid!
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Yeah, I feel like sitting in a time machine transporting me 12 years back. All those moaners seem to forget that it took FCP up to at least version 4 to be really useable, and even version 7 still contained a lot of workarounds instead actual tools...not so different from early FCP releases way back when the Avid users were laughing at us
Plugins? Interestingly, Noise Industries had filters and plugins for FCX from the day it was released - why couldn't others?
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
I'm using iMovie as my demo copy of Final Cut Pro ran out ... both worked OK for what I needed. But ... I have Aperture for photography and a ton of other digital manipulation application, so when I came to editing movies I was a bit disappointed, but I supposed editing a movie is not like editing a photograph.
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There is no difference at all. The principles are the same. However, there are many tools, even in relatively simple photo editors, like masks, layers, filters and transformations, that you'll only find in somewhat higher level video editors. These features would be too confusing for the instant-gratification-consumer aka soccermom.Originally Posted by fayskelley
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
I still use Vegas Pro 10 for most "personal" things on the fly... I also own a licence to Adobe® CS5 as well, but struggle to effectively drive Premier and After Effects... One of the most expensive purchases that has (so far) failed to prove worthwhile as an investment in my work. To top it all off, I'm now going through a tedious learning curve on Final Cut Pro 7.0.3, due to working with it daily on our broadcast production floor. I should have thought things through more carefully when investing in NLE's.
FCP is easy as cake
If you are used to ANY track-based NLE, there is not big learning curve involved. Some menus might look different, or keyboard shortcuts may have changed, but that's a abut it. It is more about getting used to things (muscle memory) than actually "learning". The learning thing is only in your head.
HD, you know that you can set up Adobe or Avid keyboard shortcuts in FCP, do you? That makes it much easier for you.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Yeah... well... tell that to my headFCP is easy as cake
If you are used to ANY track-based NLE, there is not big learning curve involved. Some menus might look different, or keyboard shortcuts may have changed, but that's a abut it. It is more about getting used to things (muscle memory) than actually "learning". The learning thing is only in your head.
No sir... no I did not know that... but it's only been a month now... my efficiency has been cut in half trying to learn where everything is and all the native FCP keyboard shortcuts (not like it was good in the first place due to wasting copious amounts of time, such as on this forum for example)... that might help a bit... however, It looks like I should really be learning FCP natives as it seems to be used everywhere I go. It will just take a number of painstakingly slow projects to get up to speed again.
This is an awesome thread. I just bought my HV20 this week. I'm starting with Pinnacle Studio 9, since it's what I already have for my ZR400. I see that when I play back pf24 over composite AV output it looks dreadfully choppy, but I haven't seen whether it is likewise choppy when I capture as standard DV with DVLock turned on, nor do I know how it looks over HDMI. So for now I'm going to record in 30i until I can edit 24p.
Now that it's 2012, have any of you upgraded your software and workflow, and in particular had any luck with inexpensive consumer grade software?
Is there a favorite sub-$100 editing package? Do the newest consumer packages like Pinnacle Ultimate 15 and Vegas Studio Platinum 11 Suite support 24p workflow? Or in the sub-$100 range would I be better off getting Vegas Pro 8 if I want to do 24p?
What are the downsides (if any) of getting Vegas Pro 8 to getting Vegas Studio Platinum 11 Suite for about the same price? For a person who is making home videos, not movies?
Hi Chris.
PF24 is recorded at 23.976fps, but wrapped in a 60i container (29.976fps interlaced) for compliancy. To truly edit 24p, you have to remove the pulldown from the video sequence. User Khaver has an utility for that.
Otherwise, if your software doesn't support 24p, you can simply use the 60i preset, drag&drop your videos on it and it should playback just fine. It won't look 60i because of the way it's been recorded (24p) but it won't look choppy neither as it will playback at the video's fps = 29.976fps interlaced. Simplest solution.
Can't tell about Pinnacle, but Sony Vegas Movie Studio can support 24p, and it's less than 100$.
Feel free to ask if there's any other questions!
FCP 7 as well as all pro NLE is anything but easy to master. Not only are they difficulty for a novice, fully 80% of the tutorials are so badly put together that half the battle of learning is getting through the poor language and casual structure they're taught in.
That said, once you've mastered one, the others come pretty easily as they all follow similar structure and workflow. The biggest difference is learning the proprietary functions, unique panels setup, jargon, and short cut keys. With today's mastery of programming, even this last point can be eased via shortcut key programing.
I learned FCP 7 just in time for it to become obsolete. I'm learning Premiere CS6 (on my own via Linda.com) and will start a structured class in Avid MC6 beginning next month. Though it may have it's detractors, the best thing about Premiere is its unmatched ability to inject and play virtually any codec and media without the need to transcode or render. A definite time saver.Please specify which version FCP. Do you mean FCP 7? If so why?
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I used Cinelerra last but I might try Kdenlive next, guess it depends on my mood. With both you have to set the frame size to have 8 more pixels horizontally as well as 1440 pixels in height, its a weird HD thing that would otherwise result in a 4:3 aspect ratio in the final render if you don't use it.
You're not alone there. My Vegas 8 box is sitting in an attic 10,000 miles away.
I'm getting tired of the endless errors that I get with Vegas when I edit my stuff...Last project I've worked on (for a friend) I got random and multiple black screen during renders. I had to convert all the original footage (.mov from an Iphone) to mpeg2 and then, it worked. Not a big deal talking about quality here (as it's been shot using the Iphone) but still, it's sad that I had to rely on a conversion to get my final edit to render.
That being said, I could also use Premiere pro, but I don't like it that much. Don't ask me why, I've used it a couple times, I really like After Effects, but I'm unable to work in Premiere. That's why I'm looking at Media Composer. I could get my hands on it for peanuts, so I'm wondering, is there anyone else here that uses/used this software?
From what I've tested, I'm impressed. It's a breeze editing stuff in it! I've recently heard about it from my french tv show "19-2" as they're using Media Composer to cut the RED videos for it. Then I've watched that video from a Facebook link:
Now the only thing that bugs me is the learning curve. I know that in the business, Media Composer is most probably more "standard" than Vegas, so it might worth the time that I'll spend learning it. And before someone asks it, I'm on a PC, and I'm a PC guy, so the Mac option is down below on my check list!
Your thoughts?
I was affraid to lose the Surround Sound panner that I love so much in Sony Vegas, but after watching this video, then I can sit back and relax:
When I opened the NLE, I thought it would be quite difficult to "adapt" myself to this new workflow, but surprisingly, it's not that different from Sony Vegas or Premiere Pro.
I wouldn't say it's as intuitive as Sony Vegas, but the learning curve will be easier than I thought at first.
Clean install not an option? Could be Vegas got into trouble and a simple reinstall of Vegas does solve the issue?
I've been really digging LightWorks lately.
I've had the same issue for the last six months, and updating/re-installing never fixed it. In about a weeks time I'll be re-installing Windows... hoping that fixes my issues. Otherwise it's a move to Premiere for me. I tried Lightworks, didn't like it. I've tried Pinnacle Studio... don't like it. Premiere... not a fan of it, but as long as it doesn't crash like Sony does... I don't care.
Ok, in that case it could of course be a software issue. I don't know, I haven't used Vegas in years. I'm using Premiere Pro CS6.
As Daniel said, already tried, but it seems to be more an issues dealing with the videos themselves. I've been able to finish the project by reencoding my videos to Mpeg2 (downgrading the quality) and lowering the resolution as well.
I guess it could always be an option, but so far, from what I've tested, Media Composer seems to be a "not-so-distant" workflow transition.
1) Already tried that too. Don't work. My opinion is that the issue is the way Vegas deal with the videos. HDV files played flawlessly while the .movs were choppy as hell, even with the preview quality lowered, the Dynamic Ram up to 4096Mb...Tried the same video in Media Composer, and I'm able to preview it in real-time. I think it conforms all the video when importing them, that would explains it.
2) Just like me. Not a fan, even if I own a copy of CS3. I never been able to work with it, and I've pushed into Sony Vegas because of that. But as the errors and issues just come one after the other, I'm at the point of moving to a new NLE.
Yes, the same footage from the same project into another NLE and it works perfectly. Not that I don't like Vegas anymore, it's still intuitive and kind of easy to learn, but the stability issues is the deal breaker here.
Sounds to me you've got computer issues more so than NLE issues
Of course you could try some other NLE for 30 days and check whether it has some issues too. To me it sounds like you have issues with conflicting codecs.
It's one of more important reasons I did buy a dedicated workstation. All it is used for is for video related stuff. I'd like to keep it clean from all kinds of services which I have for other activities (think of MySQL, Office applications, ...). (The other more important one being it has a GTX285 and a load of 3.5" harddrives which even in idle consumes a lot of energy and need quite a bit of cooling.)
You wouldn't by chance be a Media Composer salesman would you? MC is significantly more difficult to learn than Premiere Pro. PP is 8/10ths FCP 7 as far as operations go.Agreed.Only if you set it up that way. Otherwise, it "links" to the media.You just need to configure your system so that those things are idol when you need to work. A dedicated machine is not necessary, but you may prefer it.
Yeah, and all those guys on the Vegas forums complaining about issues just need to configure their systems too. Fact is Vegas has been going downhill in stability since version 8. 12 is better than 11, which was a total train wreck, but If SCS can't fix 12, there won't be any customers for any later versions. Same thing killed Media Studio Pro, another program which had great features and interface.
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