PC or Mac?

[Bob Sanders]

Bob it's FINAL CUT STUDIO. So Sony Vegas is better because all the tools are in one app?By your logic a swiss army knife is better than a set of chief's knifes.

One app is faster and easier to work with.... and i'll disagree with the "chef's knife" analogy. Vegas is just plain better for digital video.

So production houses use Sony Vegas? Is there a Sony Vegas server?

Did I say anything remotely close to this....EVER????

[LOGOS PATHOS ETHOS]

Vegas is just plain better for digital video.

can you define BETTER?

I've worked , as mentioned before, with two versions of vegas and many other NLEs in the past...

of course vegas is a great tool, but lemme tell ya I've married Mrs. Final Cut Studio

why?

she's sexy, with a spice of evil and many other goodies ;-)

oh she rocks my world


(I don't mind working with any NLE in particular, actually two weeks ago worked on Premiere pro because the director liked it , so I prepared him a project and stuff for the 7D )

so...plizz don't tell that to the Mrs. :-P

[HueyNRolf]

Hey LOGOS, how are you these days?

I guess Apple could cram everything into one app. Then we'd be able to say 'haha eat that, Bob Sanders.'
Problem is, every time you wanted to do any work you'd have:

Final Cut Pro
Soundtrack Pro
Color
Motion
Compressor
DVD Studio Pro
and Cinema Tools

All running at once, I hope Apple keeps it the way it is now.

[HueyNRolf]

One app is faster and easier to work with

Absolutely, one at a time that is.

[LOGOS PATHOS ETHOS]

hey HnR, just hangin' :-P

(finished doing a small pre-production for a music vid, coming soon!)

BACK ON TOPIC

the problem here is not whether the apps are all into one or not... we all know that in terms of productivity (at least for those who care about that thingy) it's better and more organized to have DEDICATED APPS

at least that's one of the main reasons why I got into FCS... and of course many people like adobe productions suite for the same issue

the only thing I don't agree with is this :

VEGAS (as standalone app) > FCS (the whole suite)

that is just a bit too much :-P (for the Mrs. )

[Bob Sanders]

All running at once, I hope Apple keeps it the way it is now.

Vegas manages to do it without too much difficulty. I can even run multiple instances of Vegas. I can be editing in one instance while rendering something completely different in another instance.

[Bob Sanders]

Absolutely, one at a time that is.

As stated... i can run multiple instances AT THE SAME TIME (of course you need a good cpu to do it)

[LOGOS PATHOS ETHOS]

Vegas manages to do it without too much difficulty. I can even run multiple instances of Vegas. I can be editing in one instance while rendering something completely different in another instance.

good for you dude, but it still doesn't mean that it's BETTER than FCS as a whole...

should we do a race? lolzzzzzz :-P

[HueyNRolf]

what is multiple instances?

[Bob Sanders]

good for you dude, but it still doesn't mean that it's BETTER than FCS as a

FCP is a good program. People wouldn't be using it if it wasn't, but it's quite restrictive compared to Vegas. In Vegas you have all the audio control. It can open a whole slew of different format NATIVELY on the time line. It can work with all sorts of different video types on the time line at the same time. It can work with native RED. It has full scripting abilities.... I can go on with this but the point is that it's open to all levels of digital video while FCP is not.

[cgbier]

What are you guys getting out of these peeing contests?

[LOGOS PATHOS ETHOS]

FCP is a good program. People wouldn't be using it if it wasn't, but it's quite restrictive compared to Vegas.

dude, I was talking all the time about FCS AS A WHOLE :-P

fcp vs. vegas, hmmmm could be a good match , but VEGAS VS. FCS....

hmm allow me to be a little skeptic ;-) (since I have, indeed, worked with diff versions of Vegas in the past and consider it an overall good NLE)

[Bob Sanders]

what is multiple instances?

Internet Explorer is a mutiple instance program. I don't have to clear one internet site to view or work with another. I just open up a new explorer page on top of the old one (which is still there under the new one)

Vegas is the same. I can be rendering one project in one instance of Vegas and open another instance to begin work on another project. A far as I know, Vegas is the only NLE out there with this ability.

[LOGOS PATHOS ETHOS]

What are you guys getting out of these peeing contests?

lots of pee?

XD


as for me, just listening to music and in a relax mode... the forum is kinda quiet now.. I go where the fun is ;-)

[HueyNRolf]

Vegas is the same. I can be rendering one project in one instance of Vegas and open another instance to begin work on another project.

Ah yeah, I get it.

[HueyNRolf]

Since neither you or I have worked with both NLEs, Bob. I'd be inclined to accept LOGOS, who I know in person, to be a better judge. I know for sure that he knows what he's talking about. You on the other hand, Bob, didn't even understand the concept of FinalCut Studio. That hardly qualifies you to make such bold statements.

I really love FCS, it's nice to know I'm working with industry-standard gear, but I like it because it of the way it works. I was reassured when LOGOS switched over and told me it was much better than anything he'd ever used before.

Sure, there's always a wish list. I'm hoping one day it'll have a 'pluraleyes' type feature in there, for example. But overall I'm very satisfied with it. I get involved in these discussions out of curiosity, always interesting to learn what goes on on the other side.

[Bob Sanders]

. You on the other hand, Bob, didn't even understand the concept of FinalCut Studio.

I FULLY FULLY FULLY understand the concept of "studio"... and I did before. I have CS4 which amounts to the same concept.

The misunderstandings were (and are) on YOUR side. I'm not sure how many times I had to state SEPARATE app for you to finally get it.

You make assumptions that you should not.

[HueyNRolf]

I FULLY FULLY FULLY understand the concept of "studio"

Really? Then why did you write this?

Once again, it's a separate app and you require FCS to gain that app. I can pair up Vegas with a separate app of my choice and work it all the same way.

[debuys]

Oddly enough I have worked with both FCP and Vegas although not directly. Apple has done incredible things with that app and Logic too.

Vegas is built on a dot net platform. Final cut is coded by people with full access to every line of code and the folks who write it.

Vegas is a marvel. It is incredibly efficient despite it's coding platform. But, let's face it. Vegas is for folks like me who want maximum performance at a minimum price. With a $2000 budget for a NLE including hardware Vegas and Windows cant be beat. With a $20,000 budget Vegas can't keep up.

Digidesign/Avid/ProTools is a stinky corporate turd managed by vacant suits with no interest in innovation. While it is still a herald of "industry standard" it is in decay and I'd give it less than 20 years before it's relegated to "notable competitor" standard.

I worry that Apple may employ it's ipod/itunes/iphone strategy in the future on less universal products. All the dirty tricks they accused MS of seem to be Apple's basic strategy.

A valuable piece of advice I picked up on another forum is to remember that computers and software are an expense, not a investment. When choosing a platform/software bias it's best to take that into account since switching is not prohibitively expensive if it is timed right.

And, to reference the OP: I stand by my original advice, get a Mac to minimize complications with what you are accustomed to. While there may be many production houses that use Vegas or Avid on a PC most use a Mac. If you plan on interviewing or free lancing for a production house Mac is a no brainer.

All that said I'd recommend having access and working in Mac, Windows, Linux and any other viable OS so you can make a decision later based on experience and knowledge instead of agendas and hype.

[Bob Sanders]

Really? Then why did you write this?

A studio (or a suite in the case of adobe) is comprised or SEPARATE apps. You can't have full audio control without the "studio"

[HueyNRolf]

Ah for heaven sake. He's like one of those bounce-back clowns.
Bob, you're FULL OF SH!T.
You don't know the first thing about FinalCut Studio. So how on earth would you know that Sony Vegas is better?
You pull stupid little theories out of your arse and present them like fact. Just go away.

[Bob Sanders]

Digidesign/Avid/ProTools is a stinky corporate turd managed by vacant suits with no interest in innovation. While it is still a herald of "industry standard" it is in decay and I'd give it less than 20 years before it's relegated to "notable competitor" standard.

Of that I will completely agree... although I would call it (pro tools) more of a dinosaur than a turd.

BUT... it's the industry standard.... and an indication that the industry does not always choose the most efficient programs in the world.

[Bob Sanders]

Bob, you're FULL OF SH!T.

Mature?

Believe as you will... but count how many time I yelled SEPARATE app at you.

It seems to me you're the one who lacks the knowledge here. I seem to recall filling you in on the idea of multiple instances.

[cgbier]

BUT... it's the industry standard....

It was once. FCP's market share is bigger meanwhile. That they lost their standing has to do more with Avid themselves than any perceived superiority of FCP.

[Bob Sanders]

"Apple is a gadget company"

"FCP is ancient code and so is Avid code.... new code will be written more like Vegas"

An interesting talk on Apple, Avid. Adobe. Editors worry about involving themselves too much in Apple.

http://www.studiodaily.com/main/searchlist/10924.html