I was wondering if there're any camera with a "joystick focus"? Instead of annoying wheel... Or even better would be a second zoom button for the focus... yeah, it would be the perfect thing... So are there some?
Camera with a "joystick focus" something like that...
I was wondering if there're any camera with a "joystick focus"? Instead of annoying wheel... Or even better would be a second zoom button for the focus... yeah, it would be the perfect thing... So are there some?
Joystick... what?
Why fumble around with a joystick or focus rockers when you can just use a focus ring. The HV20 (as you probably know) has that add on and pretty much all prosumer cams have it as well.
Sorry i forgot to add important things, i want to have 25/50p (30/60p for US) which Canon HV doesn't have, also it needs to be in the same price range! And a focus button like the zoom on HV20 would be much easier to use then a damn ring. It's just my opinion, not telling this as "the truth"... If the wheel doesn't make skake or too much sounds then it's ok of course.... I can't edit my damn 1st post, why is that?
Last edited by Gojaya; 2010 April 23rd at 22:54.
I can manually focus using a joystick on my HF11....I hate it. There's only two things I don't like about that camera; 24p pulldown removal and the damn joystick for focusing.
Maybe the joystick is not correctly made. No..? Anyway i removed this idea and said a button like the HV20 zoom button would be great, it give very good control we can set it to very slow.
It is correctly made. I am used to focusing my DSLR lenses, which offer much more control for focusing. Using the joystick does not offer the same feel.Originally Posted by Gojaya
Something like the zoom button would be much better than a joystick I think.
Yes that's what i said just before... So any camcorder with that features and the others i said before does exist, even if it can only be found used?
I think this person is pulling our leg. The post is absurd, read it again.
If you don't want to help then just get lost man..
It sounds like you are looking for a camcorder that will allow you to manually focus using something like a zoom rocker (except it adjusts focus).
Is this correct?
If it is, I don't know of one. A focus wheel or focus ring is pretty typical.
Perhaps someone else has seen something different?
By the way, I believe the Panasonic PV GS300 could also adjust manual focus via a joy stick. I never cared for doing it that way though.
Last edited by tom dickerson; 2010 April 26th at 11:44.
Yes, what you said is correct, but the HV20 zoom button is even better. Focus wheel or ring will makes the camera move too much when the other thing wouldn't at all.
You might consider going to a store and comparing manual focus schemes.
One of the selling points for me is the dedicated focus control on the HV20. I got an IRV focus wheel for it and thought it was a waste of money until I took it off and tried to go without.
I am guessing you are thinking of an X/Y system to pull focus and zoom. To my knowledge no such thing exists and would be a nightmare to use if it did. A "one touch" lens is a similar system. It works fine for framing and focusing stills. It's OK for video or requires more talent and experience than I have to execute aesthetically.
Hope that helps answer your question, but I know actually handling a camera, still or video will answer what I didn't
The 'control paradigm' for video lenses has for many years been a right-hand rocker for zoom and a left-hand ring or wheel for manual focus. I'll echo what others have already said — I find most camcorders which stray too far from this common layout extremely frustrating to use.
You might look for a camcorder which has LANC; many LANC controllers include either a focus rocker or a pair of pushbuttons for 'Near' and 'Far.'
I think zoom & focus are rarely used, i dont' remember seeing that in a movie... So if there was a second "HV20 zoom button" that controls focus behind/after/below, anywhere around it, that would be nice.
Cause anyway, that kind of button, it would be hard to use two at same time, especially if it's on the left side like the HV20 focus wheel... How do you plug that LANC thing? Looks like a mini audio jack...
Debuys, what did you mean about the IRV focus wheel exactly? Not sure to understand... Were you disapointed about it and then just use the manual focus of the HV20 itself..? Please tell more about it.
A ring on a small consumer cam is a bad idea. These cams are built to be used free-hand, so try a little experiment.... make believe you have a focus ring on your HV and try to turn that ring with one hand while holding the cam steady with the other.
That's what the focus wheel is for... so you can manually focus without shaking the crap out of the cam. It also allows for a more compact cam.... something else consumers scream for.
Want a ring.... get a pro cam because they don't belong on consumer cams.
A focus ring lets you use the control at any angle from any side and makes for more stable function vs the thumb screw. Run Bob's experiment. My conclusion is different than what he implies. It's a worthy $50 improvement to an HV20.
We must watch different movies. I see tons of zoom/focus manipulation in the ones I watch. If you are comparing the ubiquitous puppy to flower to end of driveway zoom/focus videos to feature films don't. Thats like comparing a test tone sequence to a symphony.
There is no LANC for an HV20. Eric is just presenting a paradigm. You get an IR remote with an HVxx, but focus is not a feature. I wish it was
You're not running the experiment properly.
Please try and remember that these are consumer cams built to be held in the palm of your right hand.A focus ring lets you use the control at any angle from any side
So, if you're HOLDING the cam the way it was designed then you would only need to get at the focus with the LEFT hand on the LEFT side. You can turn the focus wheel which has very little resistance from one extreme to the other with only slight movement with one finger while the rest of the left hand continues to assist the right in steadying the cam.
The focus ring on the other hand forces you to dedicate one entire hand (and in some cases the entire arm) to moving it. No problem......IF you're on a tripod which most pro cams are.... but we're talking consumer cams used by consumers here.
I was thinking, how about 5 zoom buttons, yeah! and 6 focus wheels, I will e-mail Canon today, the name will be HV56.
Like I said earlier, I think this person is pulling our leg.
Like i said early, lalalala OFF FRANKBLACK!!
I've been raving about the focus ring on our beloved HV since I began using it 12 months ago. More recently, while on a DOP gig... my director demanded that I use manual focus for more... "Depth of field" shots. While I tried to explain to him that I lacked experience in operating the manual focus ring on my cam, and that DOF is non-existant at certain distances on my HV... he made it clear that he wanted manual focus. So, I told him: It's your film... just be ready for dodgy focusing!
I tell you what... it took me an hour to get a hang of the focus ring, forcing myself to do it over and over again. I started doing the tricker 'rack focus' stuff (not easy to do with the DOF of the HV), and eventually got the hang of it. As long as you're not wanting to "Rack focus" from a pin-head to a distant tree.. you can focus pretty well! The wheel, while overly small (I would have preferred a bigger wheel), is not that hard to use once you've gotten used to it.
Why not try going outside and playing around with the camera a bit before complaining about what it DOESN'T have?
"Lalalalalalala"?!
Hmmmmm....
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