Originally Posted by Marshallator
wow thats great!!!
lot of thanks for the info
wow thats great!!!
lot of thanks for the info
Or hard drives... and there might be other rec modules too, who knows.
*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
What are you supposed to edit on with these cameras? Mac's using RedCode intermediary files?
Also does starting in 2k or 4k really help? Im thinking only in digital cinema situations where its going to be put up on a huge screen. But as far as usable deliverable stuff...it seems overkill.
You can edit the raw camera files natively with i.e. Sony Vegas and Adobe Premiere... and many others.
Yep, it does help. To see the difference in practice, take a shot from any DSLR still camera and scale the image down to HD resolution: then compare the image quality to a still from the HD video cameras... quite a difference.Also does starting in 2k or 4k really help? Im thinking only in digital cinema situations where its going to be put up on a huge screen. But as far as usable deliverable stuff...it seems overkill.
*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
Nicely put indeed!
Kinda scary to think my Nikon 5MP Coolpix matches Scarlet's image resolution per frame!
Great, just like on the RED ONE!
Not sure what you're getting at;lots of folks are using L-series glass on RED by means of Birger Engineering's Canon mount for RED.
No delivery dates
But: Autofocus on Nikon & Canon lenses and touchscreen focus control like the iPhone - SOLD!
?? I believe that announcement is expected today or tomorrow ... which is probably why REDuser is melting down right now ...No delivery dates
The red user site is pretty slow right now, but all the stuff is gathered on the first post in this thread at Scarlet user (the announcement is out there already):
http://scarletuser.com/showthread.php?t=3714
*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
From Jim himself:?? I believe that announcement is expected today or tomorrow ... which is probably why REDuser is melting down right now ...
So why no definite dates in the October 30th announcement?
1. We don't have a good track record of making deadlines. So why frustrate our customers any more than we already have?
2. This is an EXTREMELY complicated project with a ton of difficult tricks. We are in uncharted territory.
3. Engineers are optimistic. Question- "So how long will it take to get this done?"… Answer- "6 months, no problem." On top of them usually being overly optimistic, we are always changing things mid-stream… which is an engineer's worst nightmare. These are the primary reasons we are behind a bit in the originally posted target schedule.
4. Several of our suppliers have gone out of business in the bad economy. It takes time to find replacements.
5. Customer feedback. It seems in vogue for companies to "listen to their customers". We actually do. Anyway, listening means paying attention and adjusting the program based on feedback. Adjustments take time.
6. We also changed our release strategy. We had originally planned on releasing EPIC and Scarlet as we did the RED ONE. Bad idea. Instead of "beta" version released to everyone, we will release production versions to everyone after a tight beta program. This change takes longer to accommodate testing, fixes, bug patrol and more testing, upgrades, etc.
7. The market has changed. When we announced EPIC and Scarlet, the world was hot. Now it is cold. No reason to rush to an empty market.
8. "Yesterday we knew nothing." How could we possibly make accurate predictions on delivery when we had no clue what we were doing? "Today we know something." That makes our estimates better than before but still not perfect. "Tomorrow we just might be dangerous." We should be getting better with our estimates as time moves on. If not, we aren't very good learners.
9. We have ALWAYS said (beginning at NAB 2006) that "everything is subject to change, including specs and delivery dates." Yet, it seems to be human nature to forget this caveat. So we will just not give absolute, drop-dead delivery dates anymore. Things will be released when we are finished, and finished properly. We'll continue to give regular updates (every week or so) on specific milestones so you have some idea what's going on.
The good news is that the EPIC/Scarlet project is better than ever expected. The images coming out of the new Mysterium-X sensor have exceeded expectations. The flexibility of the modular system has surprised all of us. The system is significantly better now than when it was 1st announced. Now let’s get to it.
Please don't tell me that was the entire announcement?
No, the announcement is expected at 3pm PST.
Thats just rediculous, They made an announcement to announce that they still don't have a release date. So typical.
The " No reason to rush to an empty market" comment says it all. I took it as were not even close to releasing the scarlet but wanted to make an announcement to continue stringing along the people that do want to buy this camera.
I will laugh my ass off if when red releases this camera, Canon releases one with the same specs at a fraction of the cost. How great would that be. (wishful thinking)
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37011
It's all vaporware.
Oh hyperbole...
My take on the whole thing: http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2009/1...k-in-the-butt/
The price of Scarlets is/are going up again.
"2/3" Fixed 8x and interchangeable models. Several new features are being added that will NOT impact the release schedule (anymore than it would have been otherwise) but it will mildly impact the pricing."
Nice news is that interchangable lens scarlets will handle EF Canon and Nikon glass.
"Interchangeable Lens mounts including focus and iris control of electronic RED, Canon and Nikon lenses, along with Zoom data (Scarlet 2/3" Interchangeable)"
So at this point the 7D and A1 are still better cameras despite their shortcomings, because I can actually shoot with them. LOLOLOLOLOL
I need to look at some old posts. When did I predict they would actually be available to the general public, after NAB in 2011?
And forgive my cynicism, but they make an announcement to make an announcement every time Canon releases something. Cases in point, the 5D and then the 7D. It could be shear coincidence, but its looking like a pattern to me.
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Eugenia what are you talking about? I just read your blog post, you are doing the exact same thing that you hate from the RED fan boys, but on the other side of the coin. My initial response to RED was that it was all hype, it is ridiculous. I even read a great creative cow article by a Panavision engineer explaining how red 4k is all hype. I bought it!
However the Panavision rep was comparing a red one two a camera so expensive you cannot buy it, only rent it! There is a huge leap in technology if the scarlet comes out even at 10k! Think about this, there is no HD 1080p camera that shoots 422, even near 10k! Even the great EX1 and EX3 are 420 to SxS. If RED can really pull of a RAW video camera that shoots 1080p for 3-15k than this is a HUGE deal. It is not comparable to a 7d a 5d or an EX3.
However after this announcement it does seem farther off than what I hoped. So i may get a 7d for now. But seriously what Red already has done with the Red 1 has transformed the industry. Why would you not root for them? They have proven that are more than able to do it.
Now if Cannon could come out with a Cannon RAW motion image capture, than we have an arms race! But I mean, the 7d cannot compare with RAW....
I never compared the 7D to the RED, read more carefully. What I said is that Canon, with these recent releases, SHOWS that are interested in pursuing RED's space.
And what I said there, is what I believe 100%. RED is on the way out. They simply can't sustain all that stuff. Throwing money at the problem won't fix a thing.
I think Red will survive as a company. They have a big enough base in their Red One cameras. (About 7,000 of them at $17,000 each = $190,000,000 plus accessories.) Yes that's 190 million dollars. Of course that's gross not net profits.
I just don't think they'll have all that many offerings right away. The Epic in a few months. Maybe a Scarlet after that. If either of those don't sell well we may not see the rest for quite some time.
I would only agree with you if you said in the battle for consumer based HD acquisition.
RED is never targeted the consumer they were always going after PRO level and or indies. Buying a RED is more like buying a business franchise than it is like buying a camera. They will be around I am sure, but yea I doubt 3k raw at 3000$ will happen any time soon. Doesn't mean it won't be worth 10k though.
I am rooting for them both, But if cannon can make an "XH-A1 - raw" i would be all over that.
My dream machine would be an XH-A1 with CF cards instead of tape, an APS-C size sensor that is about 2K wide.
Or an HMC150 with an APS-C size sensor that's 2k wide.
Or a PMW-EX1 with a bigger sensor.
(Just a little over sampling and much smaller files.)
>RED is never targeted the consumer
Yeah, but you forget to realize that the market changes. Whatever was possible with a $40k cam in the past, might be possible with a $4k one today. Therefore, blurring the limits between a consumer, prosumer, and professional. RED realized that and did make a splash with their $20k RED system 2 years ago. But Canon has the ability to do all that for $10k or even $5k. Basically, what RED did to kill other manufacturers in Hollywood, now Canon can do the same to RED.
And the fact that even pros now use the 5D to shoot some scenes, and that big Hollywood movies are even shot with the XH-A1, a $3.5k cam, it shows that the "good enough" mentality will hit Hollywood eventually -- especially since Hollywood is also on the way out and they will HAVE to cut down money and suit themselves for cheaper cams and other gadgets.
That's where Canon comes in. And where Panavision, Arri, Sony, and even the cheaper RED are going out. Canon has the ability to evolutionize their products (e.g. 10bit RAW codecs, 4k etc etc) quite easily if they go after that market. And I don't see why they wouldn't.
Well, that was very disappointing Red. They seem to have totally missed the $3k or $4k mark on the 2/3 Scarlet. Guess Canon will get my money when I'm ready to upgrade.
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