Comparsion Red One vs. 5Dmk2 vs. GH-1 footage
You guys may have seen this, but I found it interesting. Comparison shots between the Red One vs. 5Dmk2 vs. GH-1
[ame="http://vimeo.com/5981422"]Red One, Canon 5D Mk II, and Panasonic Lumix GH1 Footage Comparison on Vimeo[/ame]
The full HD files are available. All of the cameras seem to be hunting for focus as some point. LOL When they shoot the same shots they all seem somewhat comparable.
I guess that would be another reason for the fixed scarlet if it has autofocus and the rest dont.
This was posted in the GH-1 thread. I'm really torn at this point. Right now, it seems like I should think about getting the GH-1, but obviously if I keep saving someday this phanto Scarlet is going to be released...gah. (this is a wonderful problem to have I might add) I mean, here we have 5dmII mixed with Red, mixed with GH-1 and it's hard to tell a difference.
Maybe I should just stick with my HV20 and stop whining.
For me, the one thing the HV20, the 5Dmk2 and the GH-1 all have in common is that they require work arounds. I can put up with that from an HV20 because it's about $350 now.
To an extent that's also true about the Red. Besides actually costing about $30k with a full kit, dealing with all manual focus, etc can be done, but a focus puller, AC, becomes important. I want both manual and auto controls.
Until the Scarlet fixed comes out (a year or two?) If I was going to upgrade I'd be looking at an EX1 for $4,500 to $5,000, maybe used. At least they have a meter on them. A 3 chip camera with a half inch sensor and 14x zoom in a camera that isn't tape based. Hmmm.
That's just me, YMMV
Last edited by Duke; 2009 August 18th at 22:26.
Yeah. I thought scarlet was *cough* a few months away-but it's years huh? Yikes.
The EX1 is nice, but I've never seen it below $6k.
Who knows for sure with the Scarlet. Red company isn't talking any more other than to say it will be a 'little' delayed.
Some people assume that between Christmas and NAB (in April) some will be out. I will count it as being out when I could actually buy one. My guess is late 2010, but that's just a guess and could be entirely wrong.
For the Red One there was a year or so back log, and multiple firmware versions to make it work. It became more usable in the mid teens versions. I'm not willing to use something that isn't tried proven stable.
Jim J. said they were going to test a little more this time so they can mass produce, and that could delay things a bit. Also tooling a factory to mass produce them takes time. I might be taking note of my worst fears, but it seems logical to me.
I've seen gray market and used EX-1's for $5,000. Occasionally one for less as these are tough times and not too many people are buying them right now so you have a little opportunity to negotiate. But you're right, new ones are about $6k.
The question I ask myself is "Do I need to upgrade right now?"
Last edited by Duke; 2009 August 18th at 22:28.
The Lumix looks just great....what workaround does the Lumix have? I'm about to shoot a feature using HV30 (talk about workaround), and I'm looking at the Lumix, images are just great...
One of the guys with a GH-1 could tell you better, but the biggest problems I've seen with them are images breaking up with fast movements, and compression artifacts.Originally Posted by Hakim Erhan
@ Duke, I have heard of grey market cameras, can you tell me what exactly they are compared to a regular camera? And why are the grey market cheaper than the reg. thanks
Grey market cameras are a gamble. They are made by the manufactures for overseas markets and sold cheaper there. I don't know why.
They are the same camera by the same manufacturer, but they won't honor the warranty over here and they won't repair it if something goes wrong.
Off the top of my head (and I might not remember correctly but you could google it) the Panny HMC150 is about $3,500 retail here, and the HMC155 is the same NTSC model for the asian markets sells for about $3,000 here. (The HMC151 is the PAL version and different.)
Some of those cameras sold on ebay are gray market and they don't tell you that. Many manufacturers don't use a different model number like Panasonic does and you don't find out until the warranty isn't honored. I don't think Canon uses a different model number.
I've generally had mixed feelings about them. I've never had a brand new camera go bad, but they do on occasion. You can buy aftermarket warranties, but you never know how good the service will be.
I won't tell you where as I wouldn't want to be responsible if something went wrong. I have always bought non-gray market cameras, but it's something I've thought about as opposed to a used camera which was my last camera purchase.
Last edited by Duke; 2009 August 19th at 10:53.
With respect to exotica like RED & Scarlet ( fixed or otherwise). I'm guessing that the business leadership there at RED have looked at the tea leaves and the tea leaves say "Don't bother releasing anything that you can't sell in quantity till around 2013. That's the revised date that the US economy should start to see authentic turnaround. In the meantime, they have an excellent excuse to live in R&D land for two more years. Other than "museum pieces" exotic car makers are singing the same song. 2013
But the world comes to and end in 2012.
Huh? I thought it was supposed to end in 1984 ?But the world comes to and end in 2012.
Re: grey market:
B&H explains it well:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/HelpCenter/USGrey.jsp
I bought my HVX200 on eBay where the seller did mention it was a grey market cam. I saved about $1000 over the current lowest price for an official USA model.
The reason I didn't mind that and could take the risk was because I knew I was going to modify the cam as soon as I would get it, and void any warranty anyway.
According to the calendars of several Central American tribes (Mayan, Aztec, Mayatek, etc) as well as Nostradamus everything stops in 2012.Huh? I thought it was supposed to end in 1984 ?
Better buy a new camera before then.
@antman, one other thing. Usually manufacturers won't honor rebates on grey market cameras. For example the 8 gig SxS card for the EX1, you won't get it. Worth a few hundred dollars. Ouch.
I think I'm eventually jumping ship to the GH1 or its successor if its announced soon enough with the upgrades i'm looking for. But I think the the 5D matched the Red better.
- Support the HV20/30 Hack -
http://hv20.com/showthread.php?t=20098
Not sure about 1984, sure your not confusing Orwells book 1984, which in many ways has come to pass.
As far as the myan Calendar goes it stops in 2012, then what??? Well, i will tell you. It starts over. Our calendar is 12 monthes, then it starts over. Their is just a bit longer. thats all. No end, no worries.
After watching this again, it's clear how much more filmic the gh1 looks than the 5d. I even thought the gh1 looks more film like than the red 3k.
I'm feeling frisky!
I've seen more than a few sub 5k used EX1's. $4,500 examples can be had with enough perusing.
Has that been confirmed? I don't see how it could be so difficult to implement if a cheap little GH1 can do it. I also happen to need the precision of manual and the ease of continuous auto which is why I am waiting for the GH1 successor instead of another DSLR, or an HMC150, or an EX1.I guess that would be another reason for the fixed scarlet if it has autofocus and the rest dont.
Bentley just came out with it's new flagship. Rolls Royce will be delivering its new volume model late winter/early spring and the phantom line will most assuredly be replaced by 2013. Ferrari will be delivering its F430 successor late spring and its Scaglietti replacement late 2010. AMG-Mercedes have already started the first deliveries of their new entry level supercar. Lamborghini is set to replace the LP640 line in 2011. Aston Martin is releasing their new sedan come spring (and are unfortunately pondering a disgusting SUV for 2011). Spyker is releasing the successor to the C8 in 2010. Mclaren is coming out with their brand new car in 2010. Pagani has plans for a world model, Zonda successor by 2012. Fisker will be releasing its hybrid supercar late 2010. Lotus will be releasing it's Esprit successor in 2010...
Last edited by Noir; 2009 December 18th at 04:53. Reason: Your mom
Well, the fat cats are still well off... the question is rather how well off is the Kia clientele?
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
hmm. Interesting test footage. I think seeing some actual real world footage from the RED one would look quite a bit better.
It's not really fair to Canon and Lumis when comparing a RED One to it...
Car companies ALWAYS have a few customers for their elite models. Sadly, most of those cars sit in Locked Garages and are traded on paper as investments- never to be driven. Sad.
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