Fully Decoded BP-827 Batteries / BP-827 with LED Indicator

**Lunchbox** · 2009 June 9th, 18:10

Note: Canon introduce a chip to their battery. For those third party battery that doesn't have the chip, the camera will report the battery is empty and it won't show the remaining battery level. The camera also won't charge the battery. In that case, Canon can sell their branded battery over price. These are 2 alternatives,

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Fully Decoded BP-827 generic battery for sale. They work just like the original Canon battery. No warning message. Remaining battery level will be shown on LCD screen. There is also no warning message when the camera turned on.

Available here -> http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?id=bp827n

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A less expensive alternative to the Canon BP-827 battery. These BP-827 generic battery has 4 LED indicator on the outside for you to check the remaining battery level. They are 2800mah 7.4V.

Available here -> http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?id=bp827led

The camera will not charge this battery. There're 2 methods to charge, you can buy the battery including the CG800 charger or buy the charger separately.

There is a DC-in on the side of the battery. By plugging in the CA-570 AC Adapter from your VIXIA camcorders, the battery can be recharged this way.

BP-827 Generic Battery with LED Indicator
BP-827 Generic Battery with LED Indicator + Charger kit
CG-800 Canon Compatible Charger
CA-570 Canon Compatible AC Adapter

**machoman** · 2009 June 10th, 00:19

Hi Lunchbox, thankyou for being honest on the battery not being able to give the camera time-left. What about the charger? Will it charge to full the original canon batteries - i've read on the amazon some users found 3rd party chargers were not able to give them full charge for their original batt.

**Lunchbox** · 2009 June 10th, 00:23

Machoman, it's good to be honest in doing business. I haven't tried charging the stock battery with the charger. But the BP-827 battery has such high capacity, there woudln't be much use of the small stock battery.

**sp1906207** · 2009 June 10th, 01:21

I've bought a couple of generic BP-819 packs from Lunchbox, though didn't have a good chance to test them to the limits.

Most people replying about these batteries agree that they are of a very decent quality. Their only real drawback is no communication with the camcorder. On the other hand, some people even say they actually last longer than same size stock batteries (which I didn't test yet myself).

Chargers in question are pretty much standard and simple (after all, it's charging a simple battery, not a space station), and are advertized by big online retailers as being "100% compatible with original manufacturer equipments and batteries" (Lunchbox sells these packs cheaper, that's why I bought from him).

For myself, I decided not to bother too much, and charge the stock battery on camera, and these generic batteries - with their own charger. Good enough for me.

P.S.
As for people saying these chargers don't charge stock batteries to 100%...

It may or may not be true.
But when I was reading this charger's short manual, one of the notes was saying something like this: "When the indicator shows the charging is over, it is advised to leave the battery on charger for an extra hour or so, to ensure full charge". It said the indicator shows when the "quick charge" is finished. But for "full charge", leave it charging for some more time (probably won't hurt to leave it on overnight, while you sleep).

So, it's very much possible that some people are confused by the "quick charge complete" indicator, and stop charging too soon, thus not giving it a chance to charge 100%.

Not saying this is definitely the case, just a possible explanation.

**lionant** · 2009 June 10th, 07:09

Thank you for letting us know about the battery. I think you could use the generic battery first, when they runs out in the field, pop in your canon battery and it will let you know how much time you have left.

Question on charging batteries
is it best to let your battery (generic or canon) to run all the way down before you recharge. Or is it ok to recharge even if it is 1/4 used up?

**sp1906207** · 2009 June 10th, 10:52

All manufacturers _say_ that modern lithium-ion batteries don't have "memory effect", so you can charge them at any time, without affecting their full charge level or lifetime.

I choose to believe this is true, just because I have more important things to worry about than charging my batteries only when it's the right time to do this.

**machoman** · 2009 June 10th, 18:22

Which then brings the question - if leaving it an extra hour or two continues the charging - what happens if you leave it longer than that - does the charging continues (won't that lead to overcharging) - does it know when to stop charging? Sorry, I don't mean to be a pain but i'm just curious. I guess no one except an enginneer or the designer will know the answer to that.Does anyone know if the original canon CG-800's manual also advises to leave the battery in after the light goes on?

**Lunchbox** · 2009 June 10th, 18:24

I ain't know engineerer. But all the chargers has circuitary that will stop over chargning the battery. I left the charger overlight charging the battery. It will turns from red to green and stop charging prevent any damage to the battery.

**net** · 2009 June 10th, 18:53

Originally Posted by Lunchbox

I ain't know engineerer. But all the chargers has circuitary that will stop over chargning the battery. I left the charger overlight charging the battery. It will turns from red to green and stop charging prevent any damage to the battery.

It doesn't say on your site...check the packaging, or on the battery if it says Lithium-ion, which should have the no memory effect.

Lithium-ion battery
Lithium-ion batteries (sometimes abbreviated Li-ion batteries) are a type of rechargeable battery in which a lithium ion moves between the anode and cathode. The lithium ion moves from the anode to the cathode during discharge and in reverse, from the cathode to the anode, when charging.

Lithium ion batteries are common in consumer electronics. They are one of the most popular types of battery for portable electronics, with one of the best energy-to-weight ratios, no memory effect, and a slow loss of charge when not in use. In addition to uses for consumer electronics, lithium-ion batteries are growing in popularity for defense, automotive, and aerospace applications due to their high energy density. However, certain kinds of mistreatment may cause conventional Li-ion batteries to explode.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery

Memory effect**
Memory effect, also known as lazy battery effect or battery memory, is an effect observed in nickel cadmium rechargeable batteries that causes them to hold less charge. It describes one very specific situation in which certain NiCd batteries gradually lose their maximum energy capacity if they are repeatedly recharged after being only partially discharged. The battery appears to "remember" the smaller capacity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_effect

**No memory effect = good/better

No-mem effect batteries can be charged at anytime/for any length of time, regardless of how much the battery is or isn't already charged.

**machoman** · 2009 June 10th, 20:27

Lithiums can be damaged by overcharged.

**Lunchbox** · 2009 June 10th, 20:56

I have listed the items on the site. According to the spec, it has a circuitary to prevent overcharging.

http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?id=BP827

"Protection circuits to prevent overcharging for both car and home charger. "

**net** · 2009 June 10th, 22:21

Originally Posted by Lunchbox

I have listed the items on the site. According to the spec, it has a circuitary to prevent overcharging.

http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?id=BP827

"Protection circuits to prevent overcharging for both car and home charger. "

I was just wondering if it was Nickel Cadmium or Lithium-ion.

Originally Posted by machoman

Lithiums can be damaged by overcharged.

Crap...you're right , just looked it up after your post.
I have a Canon BP-827 and contacted Canon not too long ago, who told me I don't have to fully charge it and that it can be in any state of depletion when I go to charge it...but I guess I misinterpreted that to mean overcharging as well.

Sorry for the bad information.

**lionant** · 2009 June 23rd, 22:11

I am thankful to Lunchbox for his support on this battery. But the one thing I like about the battery being sold at shopxtreme for the same amount of money is that it has a Built-in indicator lights to let you know if the battery is going low. And it uses the same charger for the camera.

**Lunchbox** · 2009 June 23rd, 22:57

Lionant, actually, I'm going to get that battery too, the BP-827 battery with LED indicator. It will be here in about 1 to 2 weeks. Price should be good too.

**lionant** · 2009 June 24th, 17:42

let us know and if you could try it out and give us a review, I will wait. Thanks

**NoxNoctus** · 2009 June 30th, 18:39

I have 3 of the LED offbrands, they're killer! average 2.5 hours each, and one can charge while I'm shooting. I'll run out of footage before I run out of batteries. Not bad for $24 each!

**lionant** · 2009 June 30th, 19:07

Where did you buy your $24 dollat batteries from?

**machoman** · 2009 July 1st, 10:55

i have used a 3rd party charger to charge my original canon battery (the one that came with the battery) - it didn't charge the battery even though it gave all the right signals ie. light blinking, it even went green after 2-3 hours. But my battery remained the same level even after a 3, 4 - 6 hours charge.

i have then gotten the CG800 and it worked as a charm. Quite a bit expensive for what it does - but what do we mortals have right?

**Lunchbox** · 2009 July 2nd, 16:52

The new BP-827 with LED is coming soon. Last check it already cleared custom. So I will hvae it in stock next week. stay tuned.

**NoxNoctus** · 2009 July 3rd, 01:19

Originally Posted by lionant

Where did you buy your $24 dollat batteries from?

This Store on eBay

Sorry should be noted this is the battery for the HF10/100 and like. I'm sure the same guy's got ones for others at the same price. They had some 827's listed, just be sure to check compatibility

**nixcad** · 2009 July 7th, 01:11

Originally Posted by NoxNoctus

Sorry should be noted this is the battery for the HF10/100 and like. I'm sure the same guy's got ones for others at the same price. They had some 827's listed, just be sure to check compatibility

3100 mAh and the seller says they are HG20-compatible. You don't need an extra recharger.

But that's too cheap, shouldn't we be concerned about the quality?

@Lunchbox, any news about the batteries?

**Lunchbox** · 2009 July 7th, 01:32

Mine is on the way to me. I should be getting them this Friday. Those are BP-827 with LED showing the battery level. I will take some pictures and post them too. Thank you for being patient.

The manufacturer I got batteries from are all in high quality. I also have 1 year warranty on the batteries too.

**warriorking** · 2009 July 9th, 21:40

I have the same battery but it's the 2400, I purchased it from Shop Extreme for my HG21, It's good for about 1hr 20 minutes of continuous recording in my tests thus far, It recharges fine using the existing charger that comes with the camcorder, no need to buy another....I will probably grap the 3400 soon.....

Camcorders & Accessories:

Canon HG10
Canon HG21
H43 Wide Angle Canon Lens
Glidecam 2000 Pro

**DigitalBard** · 2009 July 12th, 07:48

Question about this adapter:

http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?id=cb2l

It's just a standard 8.4v car adapter compatible with the Canon cameras, right? At the moment I have one of those AC/DC converters in the car and I carry my Canon power cord with me. I'm looking for something I can carry with me at all times in my camera bag (I sometimes forget to bring the normal charger with me).

I have an HF11 if that makes a difference on which to get. Also, do you have replacement wall power adapters? I have a ZR100 that I lost the wall adapter for and my HF11 adapter works perfectly with it.

**Lunchbox** · 2009 July 12th, 11:17

DigitalBard, I haven't tried powering the camcorder with that cable. It actually fits to the camera AC-in. You can pay me shipping I can ship one to you. I have a spare one.

I don't have the CA570 AC adapter. I can check for stock and it will be here in a week. Can you wait?

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