HV20 HV30 HV40 Difference

[Benoit]

HV20 - Silver, 24p (PF24), 60i
HV30 - Black, 24p (PF24), 30p (PF30), 60i
HV40 - Black, 24p (Native), 24p (PF24), 30p (PF30), 60i

If HV40 capture/records true 24p, what are the true capture rates of the others ? When you write "(PF24)", I guess you mean "Pulled Down to 24fps". But from which frame rate ? I guess from 60i ? So 60i is the native capture rate that is pulled down and recorded according to user request !? (correct me if I'm gone AWOL)

You noticed that I make a distinction between the capture rate (camcorder native capture rate) and the recording rate (final rate generated on file).

But 60i is not a full picture shot. It is only ½ a pic shot. It takes 2 60i shots to make a full picture, and thus suffer from rendering a fast motion scene.

A true (native) 24p takes 24 full pics shots per sec, hence NO rendering distortion problems in fast motion capture. But has anyone noticed any of those rendering problems in fast motion capture anyway ? a test worthing to do.

So, since I'm in the NTSC world, I prefer shooting in 30fps (my PowerShot S2 IS is awaiting for an upgrade), but as I red here, it might not be a true 30p (something I'll have to fing out, or maybe you know)!

That leaves me with 2 false 30p options : HV30 or HV40. Do I have to infer that the native frame rates capturing mode of these two are 60i and they pulldown according to user settings ? plus HV40 that can also do true 24p on request !?

Is there a true 30p somewhere ?

[Ironman]

They could've improved a lot on the HV40 instead of the fancy custom button. A better feature on the focus ring for a start

[ejolson]

They're basically the same camcorders for NTSC.

HV20 - Silver, 24p (PF24), 60i
HV30 - Black, 24p (PF24), 30p (PF30), 60i
HV40 - Black, 24p (Native), 24p (PF24), 30p (PF30), 60i

Does Vegas 9 print to tape work for the HV40? There is a thread indicating print to tape doesn't work for the HV40.

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=32223

I know print to tape works for the HV30. Can anyone verify whether this is a difference between the camcorders?

[drapeama]

Does Vegas 9 print to tape work for the HV40? There is a thread indicating print to tape doesn't work for the HV40.

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=32223

I know print to tape works for the HV30. Can anyone verify whether this is a difference between the camcorders?

I didn't tested it yet, but as far as i know.
I'll download the trial and give it a try tomorow.

[drapeama]

Native 24p is an optional part of the HDV spec.
http://www.hdv-info.org/HDVSpecifications.pdf
Even though the HV20 can't record native 24p it can be used as a capture deck for native 24p footage.

interesting...never though it that way...clever idea! and way cheaper than HDV tape deck.
Thanks for sharing ejolson.

[drapeama]

I've just tested it and it CAN print back to my HV40 but as 60i, as i thought.
So on the HV40, which records NATIVE 24p, if you print back your footage from your editing software once it has been edited on a 24p timeline, your HV will record it the same way as the HV20/30 would do, 24p whitin 60i or 23.976 with pulldown.
So planning on capturing the footage back means you'll have to do the pulldown process in order to get true 24p back.
Hope it helps.

[ejolson]

I've just tested it and it CAN print back to my HV40 but as 60i.

Thanks, that's good to know.

[marjamar]

I've just tested it and it CAN print back to my HV40 but as 60i, as i thought.
So on the HV40, which records NATIVE 24p, if you print back your footage from your editing software once it has been edited on a 24p timeline, your HV will record it the same way as the HV20/30 would do, 24p whitin 60i or 23.976 with pulldown.
So planning on capturing the footage back means you'll have to do the pulldown process in order to get true 24p back.
Hope it helps.

My HV40 will not print HDV back to tape using either Vegas 9.0 or Premiere CS3. I can print DV back to tape, but no matter how much I prod settings in this camera or in either capture program, it will not actually record into this camera. Everything up to the point of actually starting the recording function works fine, but once the camera goes into record mode, it will just set there for a few seconds and then display on the camera an error message "Check the HD/DV Input".

I have had Canon tech support verify "print to tape" works in a Mac using FCP, but they were unable to test this on a PC.

Can you outline your exact workflow, just to verify what I've done to test this, is in fact what you did.

Thanks.

-Rodger

[hoetsie_klok]

a problem is that i live in the netherlands and i want to buy an hv30 but it's not avaliable anymore. were can i still get a pal hv30

[drapeama]

My HV40 will not print HDV back to tape using either Vegas 9.0 or Premiere CS3. [...] Can you outline your exact workflow, just to verify what I've done to test this, is in fact what you did.

Have you tried to reset the camcorder? Janke suggested it here. It's right under the battery.
Otherwiswe, about my workflow, i just edited a small clip on a 24p timeline in vegas, then exported it back to tape using the 60i preset...the clip became 24p within 60i for HDV compliance and it was done.

[Onionsayswhat]

I am reading this thread as I am going to buy a hv20 or hv40 and I see all the references to pal. What is pal? please.

[drapeama]

What is pal? please.

Here's your answer : To make it simple, it's the television format used in europe.

[Seo]

No need to double post and cross post all your questions Onion...

[psud]

I'm wondering the same thing... Amazon's got the hv40 for only $750 and free shipping. Does anyone have any experience ordering the camera with amazon? Does it come with everything (battery, charger, cables, etc) or just the camera?

Everything is included in the Amazon package. I would recommend buying it from Amazon!!!

[NoviNovak]

So the real question is... which is the best one to get.... HV30 Or HV40?

[drapeama]

So the real question is... which is the best one to get.... HV30 Or HV40?

I'd go with the HV40, no pulldown process and it's 649$ brand new on B&H.

[tomskier]

After reading through this and various other threads I am still unsure. I am looking for a PAL version, but is there any real distinction between the HV30 and HV40 for a PAL user? I am looking to produce film primarily for web and dvd if that makes any difference.

Thanks in advance,
Tomskier

[drapeama]

... is there any real distinction between the HV30 and HV40 for a PAL user?

EDIT (thanks Janke)
The Pal version (HV30/40) has 25p and 50i framerate > Ntsc version (HV40) has Native 24p, PF24 (in 60i container) PF30 (in 60i container) and 60i > HV30 don't have the native 24p.
As you're in a Pal land, the HV30 would suits your need just perfect > go with the 25p.

[Janke]

Drape - you're mixing PAL and NTSC in that answer...

For purely PAL, there's virtually no difference between HV30 and 40 - just that little customizable button. If you can get a new HV30 substantially cheaper than a new HV40, go for the HV30...

("New" here meaning totally unused, and with full international Canon warranty.)

[tomskier]

For purely PAL, there's virtually no difference between HV30 and 40 - just that little customizable button. If you can get a new HV30 substantially cheaper than a new HV40, go for the HV30...

("New" here meaning totally unused, and with full international Canon warranty.)

That's great, just the answer I was looking for. Thankyou very much!

[HInky]

So do I go with a refurb HV30 ($479.00) or new HV40 ($649.00)here in the U.S.?

[Timbit]

If you want the latest in the HV lineup, go with the HV40. If money's an issue though, the refurbished HV30 would fit the bill better.

I'm learning a lot in here... Does anyone know how to make a computer and the operator happy with video production?

We could start with the recommended system requirements, and whether Windows or Mac...

[SignitrSideways]

Hey Guys - New to the forum and am learning a lot.
I just sent in my HV20 for repairs, and I'm getting an estimate of $250. They also have an option for me to upgrade to the new HV40 for the cost of 599. With the understanding that there's isn't a whole lot of difference between the two besides the native format, would you go for the upgrade? Thanks for any feedback!

[drapeama]

With the understanding that there's isn't a whole lot of difference between the two besides the native format, would you go for the upgrade?

The main difference is the Native 24p. If you only plan to shoot christmas reception with it, then it don't really worth the investment.
I own the HV40 and i'd say, for the native 24p (no pulldown to removre from29.976 to get the true 23.976fps) it really worth the extra cash i've spent on it.

[cgbier]

... and you get a new camera with 0 miles on the clock.