i have FCE, can i use 24p?

[The Crowing]

i went through the tutorial to remove pulldown. someone had mentioned that only FCP can work with 24p. is there any other mac software out there that can work with 24p timeline besides FCP i dont feel like it will run well for me seeing as i have a 1book g4. i just dropped almost a grand on my hv30 setup (not here yet) so i need pro editing software for my mac that wont set me back another grand.

thanks in advance

Josh

[scotthampton]

i went through the tutorial to remove pulldown. someone had mentioned that only FCP can work with 24p. is there any other mac software out there that can work with 24p timeline besides FCP i dont feel like it will run well for me seeing as i have a 1book g4. i just dropped almost a grand on my hv30 setup (not here yet) so i need pro editing software for my mac that wont set me back another grand.

thanks in advance

Josh

Hey there.
This has been covered quite a lot in the forums, so you might want to sniff around a little bit. I struggled with 24p in FCE4 and did get it to work, albeit with a cocktail of FCE4 and JES Deinterlacer. It's an ugly solution, but it is workable.

Here's a good thread to start with: http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=15380

Scott

[The Crowing]

hey scott,
hah i just got finished reading your thread on this a few hours ago. really helpful. i ended up getting FCP. i suppose im going to use the JES deinterlacer and FCP and all will be well. i suspect it will go
Imovie HD 6 - capture
JES Deinterlacer - Pulldown removal
FCP - edit/export

hopefully im not missing anything.

thanks

Josh

[koolpenguin89]

Why would you capture in imovie? Whats wrong with Final Cut?

Dylan

[scotthampton]

iMovie? No, man, don't do that. Capture in FCP. Do all your stuff from there. No need to introduce iMovie into the mix. You're giving yourself extra work and extra resources to manage. I've heard of at least one other forum member doing that, and I don't see why that was done. When I did my workflow I captured in PF24 (it's not really 24p), edited, exported as a QuickTime movie (not QuickTime conversion), took it into JES, removed the pulldown and resized right there.

It's been a few months since I did it, but I recorded some things today in PF24. I'll work on it soon, but I have to finish my short.

Leave iMovie out of this for now.

[The Crowing]

When i was using FCE (same interface almost as pro) i had alot of trouble capturing from it. the sound would not work half of the time and it was extremely slow and jerky. if you guys could help me out with capture settings for 24p that would be awesome. there might be something that i was missing.
i dont know if the fact that its HD will make a difference or not , but my previous videos were not HD.

Thanks

Josh

[scotthampton]

All I use is FCE4 with an HV20. Perhaps your system wasn't fast enough to capture...maybe too many processes running at the same time...?

I posted a screenshot about a week or two ago with my capture settings. Do a search for Final Cut in the recent past. I think the fellow wanted to trash his computer and software after trying for 4 weeks to connect. I believe it's in that thread. If no one else posts, I'll look for it and repost. But search for it...
Scott

[The Crowing]

I found the thread about the guy wanting to trash his computer. No screen shot however. but I did read something about capture settings. I dont know what it was but I'm sure there is some sort of setting. FCP didn't warn me about my processor speed being to slow or anything like that so i feel like I am safe.

[scotthampton]

Found this one that I put up before:
http://homepage.mac.com/giantklr/hv20/easysetup.png

When you capture at PF24 it will still show up as 29.97 in your timeline. You'll do the pulldown removal afterwards...

[The Crowing]

I do the Pulldown removal after i capture right? not after I'm done editing. Like i find the captured files and send them straight to JES.

[scotthampton]

I did my editing, finished it, exported it as a QuickTime file (not QuickTime conversion), then took it to JES and removed pulldown.

[The Crowing]

So as a finished product, Not individual clips you removed pulldown? thats pretty cool. .mov files correct?

[scotthampton]

Yep. That's what I did.

[The Crowing]

I just read from koolpenguin89 that removing pulldown after you have a finished product will not work.

[scotthampton]

I just read from koolpenguin89 that removing pulldown after you have a finished product will not work.

Take a look at this one. I'm not sure if I did this one right, but take a look anyway. It suffers from the Vimeo compression stuff, so ignore that

[ame="http://vimeo.com/2935749"]Pulldown Removed, Deinterlaced on Vimeo[/ame]

[iThinkergoiMac]

When i was using FCE (same interface almost as pro) i had alot of trouble capturing from it. the sound would not work half of the time and it was extremely slow and jerky. if you guys could help me out with capture settings for 24p that would be awesome. there might be something that i was missing.
i dont know if the fact that its HD will make a difference or not , but my previous videos were not HD.

Thanks

Josh

I'm using a PowerBook G4 (1.25 GHz) and it struggles with HDV, and only really works well when I'm capturing straight to a FW800 drive. It's also significantly faster than a 1 GHz iBook, so I'm not surprised at all that you're having problems.

Also, unless you have FCP HD (4.5) which doesn't capture HDV, there's no point in using iMovie to capture HDV. That's probably the source of your problems. I've got iMovie 09 up and running on here (yes, it's not supposed to run on PPC... took a little hacking) and it captures waaaay slower than FCE.

[The Crowing]

I figured out how to capture on FCP. my problem now is render time :-(

[iThinkergoiMac]

I figured out how to capture on FCP. my problem now is render time :-(

Hmmm... you shouldn't have render time... well, at least I don't on my footage before I run it through JES. What codec are you using? Apple Intermediate? ProRes? DVCPro? The first two will likely require rendering and the last, while not as high quality, won't.

But your rendering times will be quite massive, no question. My PowerBook is pretty bad too. If you haven't maxed out your RAM by now, DO IT. It's the single greatest upgrade you can make.

[scotthampton]

Did you take a look at that Vimeo clip?

[The Crowing]

Not render time wth JES. I'm talking about render time while editing in FCP. My ram is maxed out on my Ibook. I guess there is nothing else i can do to fix it.

[The Crowing]

Did you take a look at that Vimeo clip?

yea i checked out the clip. So your saying that is 24p with pulldown and you did the pulldown after the editing was done. I just wonder why others have said that wont work at all.

[koolpenguin89]

Unless you make that clip HD or downloadable, it doesn't really prove anything.

Dylan

[scotthampton]

yea i checked out the clip. So your saying that is 24p with pulldown and you did the pulldown after the editing was done. I just wonder why others have said that wont work at all.

LOL

Maybe because they know more than me? Maybe because they have a hunch? Beats me...

I posted that a while ago but wanted feedback.

[scotthampton]

Unless you make that clip HD or downloadable, it doesn't really prove anything.

Dylan

Nope. Not trying to prove anything. This is an old clip that attempted pulldown removal with FCE4.

I'll release the file when I get back home. Let me know what you do to check. I'd like to use it myself when I work with PF24. I just filmed an event that way and will edit next week...

[scotthampton]

Unless you make that clip HD or downloadable, it doesn't really prove anything.

Dylan

password is hv20dotcom

[ame="http://www.vimeo.com/2935749"]This is a password protected video on Vimeo[/ame]