24P Project Preset for Premiere Pro CS2 / Element

**Lunchbox** · 2008 February 27th, 18:32

Originally Posted by buck101

i followed the readme and the cannon folder is showing up and im using the Canon 24F HDV present, but the footage is still choppy on the timeline. im using Eugenia's tutorial to capture the 24p footage so im pretty confused..... please help!!

you might also need to change the preview window to "Draft" mode.

are you using a lossless codec? if so, look at this thread question 11c.

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=3058

**Stephen** · 2008 February 28th, 00:27

Alrighty... here is your undeniable proof that the MAC version of Premiere Pro CS3 does not allow editing of real 24p footage.

http://www.adobe.com/products/premie...3:2%20pulldown.

'Tis a sad thing- I didn't want to be the one to confirm this.

Hopefully they'll release some update in the near future reinstating this preset... it seems like such a simple thing for them to do!

**Lunchbox** · 2008 February 28th, 00:33

I think you interpret that message wrong. HV20 24p footage CANNOT BE treated as 23.986 fps in Premiere because it should be treated as 30fps (60i) footage.

**Stephen** · 2008 February 28th, 10:33

Ah, yes- true that...

**SofaKing_Kool** · 2008 February 28th, 21:54

Cool find for this. I am so greatful I found this forums. Now just cant wait for the camera to come in so I can start figuring it out.

**Stephen** · 2008 February 29th, 04:54

Whoa- breaking news! I just got the PC presets to work on the MAC version of premiere pro CS3! I can't believe I didn't even try this before... it was so simple!
To my MAC brothers and sisters wanting to edit true 24p footage with pulldown removed on a Canon 24F timline in Premiere Pro CS3 just like their PC brethren, do the following:

1) Download the 'PC Update' from: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloa...08&fileID=3205

2) Unzip the file.

3) Go to your Mac Applications folder and find the Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 folder and enter it.

4) Right-click (option-click for those of you with a one-button mouse) on the 'Adobe Premiere Pro CS3' icon and select 'Show Package Contents.

5) Go to Contents>Plug-Ins>en_US>editing modes and copy the 'Canon Progressive HDV.xml' file into this folder.

6) Next, go to Contents>settings>en_US and copy the 'Canon HDV' folder inside it into this folder.

And that's it!!! Works exactly like PC and gives you full editing options. I havev not tested this very much yet, so there may be some unforseen problems, but from what I can tell this works. I ran some test footage through it tonight and my results seemed to come out great. Adobe Media Encoder seemed to be the best route for me on this one.

Can a few more of you Mac guys using Premiere Pro CS3 try this and let me know if you had any success too? Thanks!

**vincehax** · 2008 March 3rd, 14:20

Here's a question: What's wrong with just making your own 24p project and saving that as a preset? It's really simple to do.

**Lunchbox** · 2008 March 3rd, 14:34

Several users have reported quality loss during export using 24p timeline modifed from the HDV60i preset.

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=6075

Those earlier posts in the thread has a wrong conclusion. You have to read more to see all the quality issue was caused by that custom defined preset and fixed by using the Canon 24F timeline preset.

**Stephen** · 2008 March 3rd, 20:39

Taky is exactly right- for some reason, the custom presets just don't cut it. The only thing that I've gotten to work properly with true 24p is the Canon custom presets provided on adobe's site. That's why I was excited to discover that I could manipulate them to work on OSX as well.

As a sidenote- I shot a golf tournament fundraiser all day today with my HV20 and am planning to do pulldown removal and editing in PP CS3 on a true 24p timeline (24f as adobe/canon calls it in the preset). I was shooting as a secondary camera to an XL2 (I'm a graphic designer at my work, but sometimes shadow and aid our video guy with whatever he needs... lights, sound, secondary footage, etc.). It'll be cool to see the results and how they compare between the XL2 and HV20. I'll try to post both once I get the footage back from him and have mine edited up.

**vincehax** · 2008 March 5th, 13:57

Originally Posted by Taky

Several users have reported quality loss during export using 24p timeline modifed from the HDV60i preset.

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=6075

Those earlier posts in the thread has a wrong conclusion. You have to read more to see all the quality issue was caused by that custom defined preset and fixed by using the Canon 24F timeline preset.

I'm not saying to modify the HDV60i preset. I'm talking about going to custom and creating a project at 24.976 fps, 1:1.333 aspect ratio, and progressive. I saved this as a 24p preset and use it for all of my 24p projects. Is there something wrong with this?

**Lunchbox** · 2008 March 5th, 14:00

If there is one already made for 24p/f (23.976fps), why not using it. The other members also didn't think that would be an issue at the beginning to create their own preset. Who knows what kind of hidden issue you might run into.

**Hayam Pro** · 2008 March 13th, 23:46

Hey Stephen,
So I'm editing on a mac too and I tried this process that you posted. I'm pretty sure I did everything correct, but I don't think it worked. I can't see an HDV 1080i 24p preset when I go to start a new project. Do you have any ideas? Thanks a bunch.

**Stephen** · 2008 March 14th, 11:41

Hey- let me see if I can put together a better tutorial for you tonight so as to make it easier to follow.

Also- Gilbert, AZ? Holy cow... that's where I live! Cool to see some local travelers on here in addition to our very diversified membership. If worse comes to worse, I can just have you call me and I'll walk you through it on the phone.

Thanks!

**Hayam Pro** · 2008 March 14th, 20:31

Thanks man, I really appreciate it. I've been looking EVERYWHERE for anyone who would know anything about this, so thanks again.

Haha yeah, Gilbert. That so crazy that you live here too.

**Stephen** · 2008 March 16th, 00:21

Hey man- sorry I haven't gotten a chance to post on this yet. Been a really busy weekend. I'll try to get some written instructions out sometime this week but things are busy here (we're closing on a house this week and lots of paperwork to fill out). If you don't mind talking, you can PM me your number and I'll run you through the instructions. Thanks.

**Hayam Pro** · 2008 March 16th, 00:46

Ok cool. So I tried what you said to do again, and I got success! Except now when I try to capture, it won't let me. One problem is solved haha, but now another one has arrived. Thanks again man, just lemme know if you know how to solve this.

**milespapineau** · 2008 April 2nd, 14:35

i have adobe 1.5 and 3.0

Adobe 1.5 captures HD footage into cineform so i was wondering if I captured my HDV 24p in adobe 3.0 and then edit the HDV24frame footage in adobe 1.5 on a 24p timline?

**Lunchbox** · 2008 April 2nd, 14:56

You might better off stick with 1.5. Adobe stopped licensing from Cineform since 2.0. So HDV editing in 2.0 and CS3 are both using .mpeg.

PF24 from HV20/30 is indeed a 60i video. You can just treat it as regular 1080i60 30fps. Only if you remove pulldown, it will become 24p. Then you will need to download the 24F timeline preset.

**milespapineau** · 2008 April 2nd, 15:44

there is no plugin for 24p footage for adobe premiere 3.0?

and a dumb question but what does it mean when people say "inside a 60i container" is it shutter speed?

or 60 interlaced frames per second

so i want to shoot some 24p HDV footage and then remove pulldown and then edit it inside of a 24p timeline.

will adobe 1.5 be able to do this (even after i have the 24p plugin? or will it not be able to do this ?

what should i use to capture? adobe premiere 3.0?

sorry but your replies werent answering my questions/

**Lunchbox** · 2008 April 2nd, 16:17

You don't need a plugin. You just need to download a timeline preset made for Premiere 2.0 and CS3.

If you are not familiar with pulldown and PF24, please read the FAQ. It has been discussed many times. Question 11

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=3058

When you shoot in PF24, you will get a 60i video (30fps).

I don't have Premiere 1.5, so I don't know if it has the timeline to handle 24p.

you can capture with either Premiere CS3 or using HDVSplit.

**milespapineau** · 2008 April 2nd, 16:40

cant i just capture a .mpeg with adobe 3.0 and then edit in a 24p timeline on adobe 2.0?

Then there is the concern of choosing the preset for HD and the preset for 24p, is there one or one that i can make that can edit HD 24p material for adobe 2.0

**Lunchbox** · 2008 April 2nd, 17:50

You can capture in CS3 to a .mpeg file. That's PF24 which is a 60i video. You will then need to edit on a 30fps timeline, not 24p timeline. If you remove pulldown from the PF24 video, it becomes 24p, then you can edit with the 24F Canon preset download from adobe.com

Adobe comes with DV 24p preset. that's not for HD.

**milespapineau** · 2008 April 2nd, 19:15

so it works on adobe 3.0? and again. ill be capturing with adobe 3.0 which makes a .mpeg, just like CS3 so it should be the same thing.

And
I was asking about a preset that is both High Definition as well as 24p

**Lunchbox** · 2008 April 2nd, 20:05

Are we going in a loop?

Yes, Premiere CS3 supports HDV capturing and editing. It's just if you remove pulldown, you need to download the Canon 24F timeline preset from adobe.com. If you didn't remove pulldown, just use the HDV 1080/60i timeline preset which is already comes with CS3.

There is already a "DV 24P" preset in Premiere for Standard Definition video. If you want HDV 24P preset, download the Canon 24F timeline preset from adobe.com.

Let me repeat one more time, download the Canon 24F timeline preset from adobe.com if you are working on HD 24p material.

**milespapineau** · 2008 April 2nd, 20:17

so let me get this straight.

(BTW i only have adobe premiere 1.5 , adobe pro, and adobe 3.0)

This wont work on 3.0 because there is no option for project presets when you begin your project. I can understand that, 3.0 was made to be very easy to use.

And this wont work on adobe premiere 1.5 because 1.5 uses cineform instead of .mpeg
( like adobe 2.0, 3.0 and CS3 all use .mpeg)

? Am i right?

OH and this preset, is this for HD 24p footage?
or for DV 24p footage?

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