No it isn't.Originally Posted by spideralex90
NTSC is a SD format and has nothing to do with 24p.
No it isn't.
NTSC is a SD format and has nothing to do with 24p.
okey, so that means the pulldown issue wille be a problem with everybody on this earth?
Except for Papua New Ginuea, yes!
No, of course not. Pulldown is an issue with cams sold as NTSC versions (meaning they also shoot NTSC). For cams sold as PAL versions (meaning they also shoot PAL) pulldown isn't an issue.
I was more concerned about mixing terminology.
haha! Okey thanks. Its jsut so comfusing sometimes when everybody talking about that issue and we in PAL countrys dont have to wory about it. Then i see only posstivte thing from this camera.
Well to be sincere, these cams seem to me as a big leap in consumer HD video. Leaving aside the overseen sensor density over size matter, this is not the only method to measure low light quality. Electronically speaking things evolve, so the new chip can handle better , probably, the data trough it than the one on , lets say , HV20. Therefore, quality should be better. That is a must. I am truly disappointed by the fact that I got recently my new cam, the HG20 , and it will automatically turn into refurbished material, because from the HV20 i think THIS is the next step, not HV30 nor HF11(which was a leap for AVCHD but quality came close to HV20/30).
By far I can say that this will be one of the best cameras available nowadays, and I would be very happy if I would somehow get one of these, because it will clearly be mind blowing equipment in terms of quality.
On a more realistic side, making a good movie/internet clip is more than just quality. So everyone should reflect upon the situation, but if you have a HV20 from the beginning this is the time to upgrade, if you are like me.. you have second thoughts.
Tudor M
Anyone?
Do "more lines" = more data = faster cpu/bigger video card needed than what's presently required for the HF11?
2 observations to make:
1st)
See this [ LINK ]:
«Cine Mode
Cine mode is a gamma setting that affects color behavior in the Canon HG10. It can be used in 60i or 24P. The HG10 groups the Cine mode with the AE mode settings, which unfortunately prevents it from being used at the same time as Aperture or Shutter Priority mode.»
Eugenia has posted this [ LINK ]:
«- CineMode has *most probably* moved to the Colors Settings, rather than the ‘Programmed AE’ menu found in the HV series. If this is indeed true, it is a very good thing, as it will allow you to use a cinema gamma/look, while you can use your camera in Tv or Av mode at the same time, to properly control it.»
I don't have the camera (HG10) but...
Now compare what's written in both webpages @ Canon site [ HG10 LINK ] [ HF S100 LINK ] as you already know:
«AUTO, P, Av, Tv, Portrait, Sports, Night, Snow, Beach,Sunset, Spotlight, Fireworks»
In conclusion, if all these sources are correct, we should review the Eugenia's presumption. Nevertheless, why doesn't Canon mention the Cine mode as one of the Programmed AE modes as it happens with others such as HV30/40 as for instance?
Can anyone know and answer it?
2nd)
See this [ LINK ]:
«1080/24P
Switching to 24P in bright light, the color performance and apparent resolution are more or less identical to the 1080/60i. Obviously, Canon is going to tout any consumer camcorder with true 24P. In the case of the HV20, they were absolutely right to do so – the video looked beautiful and managed to side-step the staccato look of older camcorders with a “24P-like effect.”
Not so with the HG10. For whatever reason (and we have our theories), the 24P video on the HG10 looks terrible. Both panning and tilting create a very choppy movement, even when moving slowly. This is not the motion blur you might get when shooting at a slow shutter speed in 60i. It’s a stuttering, chug-chug-chug effect that absolutely kills the shot. Our best guess is that the progressive scan and output is in conflict with the AVCHD compression, which is extremely taxing on the processor. HDV is less processor-intensive, which may be why it looked so much better on the HV20. Regardless of the reason, we don’t recommend shooting in 24P unless you’re going for a special effect.»
Why? Higher AVCHD compression from low (15Mbps, I think) recording mode? Not @ 24Mbps? Or just the AVCHD codec vs. a «less processor-intensive» HDV as the article's author is wondering. Is there any HG20 shooter out there who may testify it?
«RED + Canon DSLR & HD consumer cameras will shoot my upcoming 129 pages length feature» ~ Emanuel A.
This is just a wild guess here..... but maybe the processor in that early AVCHD cam was the same or identical to what was being used in the HV20/30. It couldn't handle the very new AVCHD codec. Canon finally got it right in their following cams and it has not been a problem since. Matter of fact...seeing how the newest cams have even more pixels and are at the highest data rate with AVCHD tells me Canon's processing power in these brand new chips are getting more and more powerful. Just a guess though...
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
Hey..you were in the short flick "18 Seconds?" If so...I saw that a couple of years ago...."Tragically Brilliant."
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
[quote=1;169007]No it isn't.
nevermind.
Last edited by spideralex90; 2009 January 7th at 02:39. Reason: didn't read following post.
On the 2nd one, it can also be any HG21 or HF11 user, well, any with AVCHD 24Mbps hands-on experience. Thanks.2 observations to make:
1st)
See this [ LINK ]:
«Cine Mode
Cine mode is a gamma setting that affects color behavior in the Canon HG10. It can be used in 60i or 24P. The HG10 groups the Cine mode with the AE mode settings, which unfortunately prevents it from being used at the same time as Aperture or Shutter Priority mode.»
Eugenia has posted this [ LINK ]:
«- CineMode has *most probably* moved to the Colors Settings, rather than the ‘Programmed AE’ menu found in the HV series. If this is indeed true, it is a very good thing, as it will allow you to use a cinema gamma/look, while you can use your camera in Tv or Av mode at the same time, to properly control it.»
I don't have the camera (HG10) but...
Now compare what's written in both webpages @ Canon site [ HG10 LINK ] [ HF S100 LINK ] as you already know:
«AUTO, P, Av, Tv, Portrait, Sports, Night, Snow, Beach,Sunset, Spotlight, Fireworks»
In conclusion, if all these sources are correct, we should review the Eugenia's presumption. Nevertheless, why doesn't Canon mention the Cine mode as one of the Programmed AE modes as it happens with others such as HV30/40 as for instance?
Can anyone know and answer it?
2nd)
See this [ LINK ]:
«1080/24P
Switching to 24P in bright light, the color performance and apparent resolution are more or less identical to the 1080/60i. Obviously, Canon is going to tout any consumer camcorder with true 24P. In the case of the HV20, they were absolutely right to do so – the video looked beautiful and managed to side-step the staccato look of older camcorders with a “24P-like effect.”
Not so with the HG10. For whatever reason (and we have our theories), the 24P video on the HG10 looks terrible. Both panning and tilting create a very choppy movement, even when moving slowly. This is not the motion blur you might get when shooting at a slow shutter speed in 60i. It’s a stuttering, chug-chug-chug effect that absolutely kills the shot. Our best guess is that the progressive scan and output is in conflict with the AVCHD compression, which is extremely taxing on the processor. HDV is less processor-intensive, which may be why it looked so much better on the HV20. Regardless of the reason, we don’t recommend shooting in 24P unless you’re going for a special effect.»
Why? Higher AVCHD compression from low (15Mbps, I think) recording mode? Not @ 24Mbps? Or just the AVCHD codec vs. a «less processor-intensive» HDV as the article's author is wondering. Is there any HG20 shooter out there who may testify it?
«RED + Canon DSLR & HD consumer cameras will shoot my upcoming 129 pages length feature» ~ Emanuel A.
it all gets downsampled to 1920X1080 24mbps by the time it gets to your computer, so sensor size should't matter on the post end.
HFS10/s100 at CES
I'm not sure how many others here will be attending CES, but I'll be there. I'll make it a point to stop by the Canon booth and see if they have any of these cams to try.
Hopefully they'll let me sneak in a SD card and try to get some HD footage.
try a comparison on hf20 vs hfs10...
shoot both in 24p, 1/48, fully wide open, 0 gain.
we'll see who is brighter
then shoot hfs10 with increasing gains... lets see the noise on the gain.
Yeah
DoF Master?
haha...That would be awesome! I guess that would make you the coolest guy on this Forum.
Anyway, I read the whole thread here, but here are some thoughts.
Would this cam be ideal for a DIY 35mm DOF adapter?
First:
Since I read that it has a 58mm threadsize. This would mean we would be able to fit the popular 58mm Opteka right on the lens, so no more step up ring, that would mean less vignetting, since it's as close to the lens as possible.
Second:
Also since the lens is bigger, it might me better in low light.
Third:
It has no viewfinder, but since most DoF adapter users use a separate monitor, they won't really need it.
Fourth:
I looks like it has a big manual focus scroll wheel beside the lens, wich should make it easy to attach a bigger focus wheel system on it and attach it to your rigg.
Fifth:
Do the extra megapixels add anything to the image quality?
Six:
For as far as I can read it does have Cinemode.
Did I leave anything out?
Me Feelz Good cause Me Likez Film and!
flip function in camcorder
when will canon give us a flip function to make easy the use of 35mm adapter?
I have some cool news:
www.CamcorderInfo.com will be publishing their HF-S series review very soon, in just few weeks from now. They were very kind to let us poll the HV20 crowd about what they would like to see mentioned in the review. So, fire away, after you visit their site, see how they conduct their reviews, and request additions based on things you haven't seen on their existing reviews. E.g. a low light test will be part of the review, so there's no reason to ask for it.
Also, they wrote me: "...look for a First Impressions review later today. It will be
short, but should answer some basic questions."
The newer camcorders at Canon are now saying "Available in February 2009".
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...&modelid=17992
This makes it even more tempting to wait it out. I'm guessing the HF S100 could be $800+ by May, being the the HF11 was released for the same price in September and is now in that range.
Did you mean CCInfo had some cool news, Eugenia? Where are you suggesting to fire away, here on on CCInfo site? They banned me and I have no intention of registering again. So:
* List all focus assist modes. Are all of them available while shooting? Can all/some of them be combined? Check, how focus assist works in different conditions: low/high contrast, glare.
* How smooth focus wheel is. Is it speed-sensitive?
* Does iAF sensor work with attachments on? Do all/most attachments work or one has to buy special attachments designed for the cam?
* What threads are made of, plastic or metal?
* Does the cam forgets some/all settings when turned off? Which ones?
* Does it display recording parameters (frame rate/shutter/aperture/gain/ND) while recording, without resorting to the photo button?
* If prior is not true, does the photo button still work?
* Is it possible to control ND filters manually?
* Can the LCD display the frame with no underscan?
* What is the maximum video file size? Does the cam continue recording next file after it finishes with prior one?
I'll think of something else later.
Well 2 things are important for me:
1) The focuswheel, is it better then (better handle) the one on HV20 and HV30?
2) Does the 58mm lens thread look strong enough to mount a dof adapter on it
Me Feelz Good cause Me Likez Film and
I would like to see a comparison of the HF S10 to the HF11, detailing the differences of their final output. (Video only.) A feature comparison isn't necessary as this is already available.
Ditto. With the relocated IAF and larger thread, the HF S10/100 might be a cam I could live with. Although my HG20 footage was easier to get usable results from than any HF11 footage I've come across. Which might just be a 60i versus 24pf issue. Don't really know, all I know is that only one method (the most undesirable) was able to handle the HF footage decently in linux.
Pictures PAL Version
Hi Guys,
by looking at the pictures it will get a different name in europe, so not Vixia, but Legria?
Anyway, look at the pics. By the way, they also show the top of the cam. Looks neat!
And here are some of the NTSC version, made at the CES 2009:
How happy I am about this upcoming cam to try out, is not up for debate, but.....It troubles me to see the canon HD Lens beïng so far inside the camera. Since as a DoF Adapter fan, I would like to be able to place my Achromatic lens as close to the camera lens a possible. For as far as I can see, it will probably have a distance of 1 cm open space between it. This will probably create a lot of vignetting in the final image. Or am I wrong guys?
Last edited by Piewee; 2009 January 9th at 10:39.
Me Feelz Good cause Me Likez Film and
The Infosyncworld article http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/10026.html has JPG grabs from the HF-S and there's a lot of noise in these pictures. The bottom corners are not too sharp either. No, the JPG file format the author chose instead of PNG is not to be blamed for these two problems noticed. The JPG format added some artifacts, but the noise is all HF-S's. The kind of footage I see in these pictures is impossible to color grade properly btw. Hopefully by selecting cinemode and neutral coloring before you shoot might help out the situation...
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