Canon HF S10/S100

[MistahTibbs]

I agree, my current goal is to supplement my HFS100 with a GH1 as soon as possible, for the low-light and potentially shallow depth of field.

Yeah.

That's my goal as well. I shoot events using a pair of DVX100b cams but I'm ready to go HD and the HFS100 is an inexpensive way to go.

My only concern is the form factor. People equate "big camera" (say it with a deep voice and some reverb) to "pro." So I'll have to sex up the cams a bit. A Raynox 7000HDPro on each cam and maybe a small hood or matte box will help.

Mind you I'm likely getting three of them plus at least one GH1 (perhaps two) for weddings, promo shoots, etc. The kind of stuff where shallow dof just adds something special to the mix.


sincerely,


MT

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[Duke]

"My only concern is the form factor. People equate "big camera" (say it with a deep voice and some reverb) to "pro." So I'll have to sex up the cams a bit. A Raynox 7000HDPro on each cam and maybe a small hood or matte box will help."

I just tried a HFS100 for the first time at some pro paintball team try outs. I didn't realize before how small this camera is. It's significantly smaller than my HV20. Nearly an inch narrower and a half inch shorter.

You could always get one of the old shoulder mounted VHS cameras for $50 off of ebay and mount the HFS100 to the front in place of the lens with a mattebox. You know, that might actually work with a hard wired remote.

This camera is so tiny it's actually hard to hold steady by itself. Part of the time I put it on a tripod and carried the tripod like a steadicam.

[Duke]

The other option...if $900 is NOT your absolute max budget for a cam is to take a look at the Panasonic GH1. Micro 4/3 with interchangeable lenses (and with adapters LOTS of lenses) great low-light (with the right lens), 720/60p for sweet, smooth slo mo in a 24p timeline and full 1080p for those majestic panoramic shots....as long as it's not too "busy."

MT, I think from the last part of that comment you've looked at some of the GH1 clips and noticed that a higher than expected number of compression artifacts have appeared in GH1 footage despite the ability to control frame rates.

It seems like every camera has some significant weakness. Argh.

[mikebuddy2]

I was recently showing a friend who is a wedding videographer footage off the HFS100
& although loving the quality of the picture from such a 'small' form factor camera,comented that turning up for a job with such a small camera would not look like you were a pro.Mabie this point is potently stopping many from using this camera for pro.work! .
On another point the HV30 v HFS100 build quality:The housing compartment door for the tape on the HV30 was very loose,which although did never open,was a concern.The lcd controls on the HV30 were to say the least not great.There is no loose parts on the HFS100(apart from the sound of the OIS inside the lense housing)The HV30 is a more bulky camera compared to the more streamlined s100.I think all these cameras have to be handled very carefully as they can be damaged if you are not careful.

[Carter Smith]

I just got a HFs10 from Brandsmart USA haggled to $1048.88, with a $100 dollar gift card to a furniture store nearby, haha.

This baby is solid and beautiful I can't wait to test some footage tonight.

I was planning on buying the Handy35, when I get the V5PLUS bundle, what camera filter size do I choose? The lens is so much larger than the last one, I hope the Handy is still an option with it, you know.

[TropicFilms]

58mm

[Carter Smith]

Thanks for that info tropic, I was worried for a bit that I wouldn't be able to use my camera for the handy.

I was recently showing a friend who is a wedding videographer footage off the HFS100
& although loving the quality of the picture from such a 'small' form factor camera,comented that turning up for a job with such a small camera would not look like you were a pro.Mabie this point is potently stopping many from using this camera for pro.work! .
On another point the HV30 v HFS100 build quality:The housing compartment door for the tape on the HV30 was very loose,which although did never open,was a concern.The lcd controls on the HV30 were to say the least not great.There is no loose parts on the HFS100(apart from the sound of the OIS inside the lense housing)The HV30 is a more bulky camera compared to the more streamlined s100.I think all these cameras have to be handled very carefully as they can be damaged if you are not careful.

My friend was shooting some skateboard video in miami and he was approached by an artist to to film his work being made, he has a Canon XL-1, it's old, and the footage practically doesn't compare to these small powerhouse HD cameras like the HFS10/100, if I was shooting on the side of the road, I can bet no one would approach me, thinking I was using a lil handycam with no power for vacation footage or something. He's getting paid a lot and gets to party with this guy all the time. Meh.

It just seems unfair about the whole "size does matter" thing, it's another reason why I want the 35mm adapter and a new mic just to be able to have these sorts of possibilities available to me.

[undevco]

Yeah the s10/100 out of the box is puny but Im VERY comfortable in public with my new setup. Don't do your customers the disservice of showing up at the shoot with this camera alone...Spend some money and rig it up...I get approached all the time with my new hfs100 rig even without the lcd monitor attached....The XL1 was a beast in its prime...and would have cost you a pretty penny. So spending $1000 on this camera isn't enough to match the history of the XL series. You have to accessorize! And marketing goes a long way....All it takes is a reel of your HD footage and a discussion about how your customers should be interested in HD by now, to make potential clients realize that SD cameras are a dying breed....No one wants to be outdated.......no one

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[sp1906207]

Cool rig! Small question though: are you totally satisfied with PQ of HD-7000PRO wide-angle lens you have in front? Do you have it on at all (most) times? I mean, sure it adds some seriousness to the exterior, but is it also cool PQ-wise?

[undevco]

Thanks,

About the PQ....I only use the raynox when i need to get a bit of a wider view . I don't notice any difference in picture quality with it on.

[sp1906207]

Thank you. I've heard some people saying HD-7000PRO is "terrible" pq-wise, so I'm trying to get some well-grounded opinions on the matter, before I decide to go with it (or without).

[conan]

hi, great site, noob question

my friend is buying a camcorder and has assigned me the task of trying to choose the most appropriate one for him. i know this is a canon site, but its also got the best members, so can you help me pick one of these. the panasonic has been mentioned in this topic, do the following european prices change the views already stated

all prices are european,

€ 1,110 CANON Legria HFS100 High Definition Camcorder
€ 1,169 PANASONIC HDC-TM300 Camcorder
€ 1,139 PANASONIC HDC-HS300 Camcorder

id go with the canon for myself, but researching the boards im being pulled towards the panasonic for his needs :-

he has a top of the range MAC 6 months old
(does the panasonic integrate more easily with a MAC/iMovies ?)

low light levels are slightly better with the panasonic.
(is the panasonic easier out of the box, for a beginner with low aspirations ?)

colors are different and slightly better with the canon
(i think he will not appreciate this difference, the WOW factor for him now is noticing HD crispness over realistic colors.)

he will be using it for recording holidays, sit down interviews, and documenting town hall type meetings.

are there any reasons i'm missing that i should pick the canon over the panasonic ? i would imagine this site and its members is one

any help is greatly appreciated, thanks in advance.

john.

[feedbackstrand2]

Camcorder Canon Vixia HF S10 – Web opinions

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Consumers believe Canon Vixia HF S10 is a “perfect camera for family shoot” – the model received “Net Feedback” (% positive opinions - % negative opinions) score of 63. It received 80% positive opinions and 17% negative opinions. The rest were ambiguous opinions.

The most spoken about attributes appear to be picture, body, controls, audio, display, lens, and software. Of these, attributes with most positive opinions were picture, recording, display, memory, and controls.

This camcorder is viewed as an essential family use item. The camcorder weighs a little over the pound but still feels light for its dimensions. The size is not very compact to fit in the purse but will fit into a loose jacket pocket. The larger size makes it more comfortable to hold and operate as well. The LCD display is perfectly sized, glare proof, very sharp and clear from almost any angle. The integrated flash memory storage of 32GB is quite large that does not put user into trouble while capturing some important occasion or moments for long time. The controls are simple to use, perfectly laid and has a streamlined user interface.

The 10X optical zoom is smooth and doesn't lose focus easily when zooming in and out. The auto focus feature is very fast and accurate. It has got appreciation on its optical image stabilizer which works well out to the end of the zoom range, and face detection is accurate too. It takes beautiful photos, and the quality of recorded video is stunning and has excellent exposures. The audio recording is crisp and clear too. The included software is very basic still good enough.

There are also a few attributes with negative opinions like battery life, shutter, and still photo. The battery life is pretty low for its class and the shutter response is quite slow. Some customers are not satisfied with the quality of still pictures from the 8 mega-pixel camera.

On balance, Canon Vixia HFS10 seems to be an appealing proposition.

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[nyaquaman]

"On balance, Canon Vixia HFS10 seems to be an appealing proposition."

I agree. For a consumer camera that will likely outperform 90% of its operators, its shortcomings and little peccadilloes are almost charming in light of the beautiful images one can capture - and for only $1,000.

I am not unhappy with the below footage I shot without too much thought.
[ame="http://www.vimeo.com/6259772"]Critters - A Still Life on Vimeo[/ame]

...Or, I could spend $7,000 for a Sony EX1

[nycshooter]

Yeah the s10/100 out of the box is puny but Im VERY comfortable in public with my new setup. Don't do your customers the disservice of showing up at the shoot with this camera alone...Spend some money and rig it up...I get approached all the time with my new hfs100 rig even without the lcd monitor attached....The XL1 was a beast in its prime...and would have cost you a pretty penny. So spending $1000 on this camera isn't enough to match the history of the XL series. You have to accessorize! And marketing goes a long way....All it takes is a reel of your HD footage and a discussion about how your customers should be interested in HD by now, to make potential clients realize that SD cameras are a dying breed....No one wants to be outdated.......no one

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Do you have a flip hack in use for the lcd screen? I have a similar set up as you but currently have the hv20 with a flip hack by jehru.

Also, any issues using FCP and your canon hfs10?

Thanks.

[Carter Smith]

It looks like it's mounted upside down, nycshooter.

[Carter Smith]

Could you name what your setup is?

[Joker B]

Could you name what your setup is?

See this thread for more pix and a complete manifest:

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=28634

[hyp]

just wanted to chime in and say that i am very happy with my new HFS-10. no complaints whatsoever after selling my sony VX-2000. i do wish there was a proper focus ring and easier access to manual controls, but other than that, the image quality is everything i've ever wanted in an HD camera for its price.

[ejolson]

here;s a chart I shot. the vertical lines are impressive, in the 900's, the horizontal goes to mush at around 600 though.

Apparently turning on 1.7x telephoto significantly increases the vertical resolution of the HFS100 in progressive modes by bypassing the sensor subsampling circuitry. I expect this would also decrease the rolling shutter read reset time by about 40 percent. Both are good things.

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?p=283524#post283524

[hfs10user]

This is my Canon Vixia HF S10 setup, all it needs now is a good shotgun mic with foam wind screen & mount to the right of the light somehow, perhaps a bracket off of the mini advanced adapter cold shoe?

[Papaya]

I thought sennheiser just sell earphone, I got one of this for my psp and its really boom boom paw.

Btw, what kind of light you got there that mounted on your HF S10?

[Reid Welch]

While I look at my presently-useless HV30
(its HDV output socket is spoiled);

I'm gonna have to send it to Factory Service in N.J.,
just to get an estimate. Someone here at this place guesstimated
it will be in the $200 range to fix the HV30.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I like the tapes for the inexpensive archival quality;
they could last for decades in cold storage, bagged
with dessicant gel.

Have original Edison Home Kinetoscope prints,
made prior to 1915, still projectable. I've kept
them in the freezer these past thirty years,
for they were just beginning to "turn sour" in '79.
(cellulose diacetate: the first generation of "safety film)
The "aging" process halted upon freezing.

~~~~~~~Regarding the archiving raw footage?
Have old tapes from my childhood, late sixties,
Norelco cassette tapes: they still play fine.
I should freeze them too....
Pondering, no answer needed: rhetorical:
can today's HD or memory card be so...permanent, or cheap???
(I tend to think not, not, quite yet)

But, the wave of the future is this sort of camera.
Gosh, it takes pretty pictures.
Tape is finito, for us, anyway; it sure seems:
all things must pass away...

OK. My want is for the =smoothest= motion, when a file is
rendered and then sent up to YT.

Q: what did this fellow do "wrong", that his bird video,
very pretty, shows that old "herky jerky" effect?

Does anyone have a pointer to save me time,
to see these various cameras, shooting, say,
automobile traffic from a tangential angle?
I mean, as put up to YT, for instance. Different
cams and renderings of basically the same sort
of subject?
Seems to me, that would be the acid test.

~~~~~~~

Am still so... "sloan d. uptake" on the various editing options,
and need to just study.

But, oh, people, for a casual YT'r, me,
who just wants to make modest videos in daylight,
of the outdoors,
and just wants smoooth motion,
well, this fellow's video, it does not quite cut it, imo.

Q: what, if anything, did he do wrong with the rendering?
Or is the motion artifacting inherent to YT's flv, 15fps,
conversion of a conversion of a conversion?

not mine, but, gee, shouldn't we be able to do better with either this,
or with the old HV20/30/40, yes, right?
I mean, in reducing motion artifacts: note the swaying feeder?
I've got a fast video card and it does not look so good if I play
this in full screen at its rated max. of 720P. I don't suppose the artifacts
are of the video card in this new computer, or its 23" LCD monito...
...tips? How to do it better?

Yes, I know: read, read, read and all will be clear.
Mom and Pop can never master the means, not so far, it seems:
I will have some bird seed in the meanwhile
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8hN-H-XtOk"]YouTube- Canon Vixia HF S100 HD Testing (motion)[/ame]

maybe this fellow's video will play "smoother" in the embed window?
gonna find out now...

~~~~~~~~~~~
cheers, sorry for all the wordings, so long winded:
like rewinding a mini DV tape by hand: my postings....

reid

[AmCamMan]

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[cnolan011]

i would love to see how video is with those lights