Good idea. I thought someone on this forum was getting one. I can't recall who.Originally Posted by Duke
Good idea. I thought someone on this forum was getting one. I can't recall who.
Just because you haven't seen footage that looks better than HDV doesn't mean that AVCHD is a worse codec. If you don't like the image that comes from the HMC150, it's probably not AVCHD at fault. Take a look at some of the links I've provided in this thread. AVCHD has a lot of potential as a prosumer codec, I wish people would educate themselves better before forming an opinion. It's a shame that so many crappy low bitrate cameras have sullied its good name, it seems that now people can't see past "AVC EQUALS CONSUMER JUNK CONSUMER JUNK IS BAAAAD" It just isn't true.
I totally agree. I have some issues with the ergonomics on those cameras but I sure wouldn't kick one out of bedAnd again, i think the 35 mb/s of the EX1 and EX3 is the best quality footage on a prosumer cam.
theres a footage that is buried somewhere in dvxuser with a kid on a green screen. Best and easiest key out ive had compared to DV/HDV. its like keying out p2. (specially the motion blur) wow.
Ive been keying HDV/DV and the artifacts are killing me.
Shoot HDMI direct capture from the HV20 to an intensity card and it's TrueHD (1920 square pixel) with 4.2.2 and NO compression what so ever, so no artifacts.
What's the old saying "If you only have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."
He does make a good point.Shoot HDMI direct capture from the HV20 to an intensity card and it's TrueHD (1920 square pixel) with 4.2.2 and NO compression what so ever, so no artifacts.
What's the old saying "If you only have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."
LOL.Shoot HDMI direct capture from the HV20 to an intensity card and it's TrueHD (1920 square pixel) with 4.2.2 and NO compression what so ever, so no artifacts.
What's the old saying "If you only have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."
1. my point was hdv vs avchd
2. good suggestion but some dont have that luxury. others dont shoot through hdmi. they hand out hdv or dv. and frankly its not that convenient lugging around a computer :P
pfftt.. what if you don't want to shoot tethered and if the higher rate AVCHD can provide cleaner footage than HDV and give you sufficient quality to pull keys from, why provide this backass method of shooting thethered?Shoot HDMI direct capture from the HV20 to an intensity card and it's TrueHD (1920 square pixel) with 4.2.2 and NO compression what so ever, so no artifacts.
What's the old saying "If you only have a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."
You were comparing them with Greenscreen. When shooting Greenscreen, there isn't much camera movement. Or at least not enough that you couldn't make it work.
Anyhow theres also the issue of price, AVCHD is WAY overpriced. Overpriced enough to be a deal breaker really.
Tethered is NEVER a problem with green screen since by definition you are anchored to the screen.There are no run and gun green screen shots. LOL
AVCHD can encode higher definition than HDV, but not higher than HDMI direct from the HV20 because the HDMI footage is from a much higher definition sensor and is completely uncompressed.
It's not the AVCHD that is the limiting factor on the HMC150, it's those low resolution sensors. And I presume you already have the HV20/30, so HDMI is just another tool. That's the choices you get to make. It doesn't make them right or wrong.
Agreed.Tethered is NEVER a problem with green screen since by definition you are anchored to the screen.
AVCHD can encode higher definition than HDV, but not higher than HDMI direct from the HV20 because the HDMI footage is from a much higher definition sensor and is completely uncompressed.
It's not the AVCHD that is the limiting factor on the HMC150, it's those low resolution sensors. And I presume you already have the HV20/30, so HDMI is just another tool. That's the choices you get to make. It doesn't make them right or wrong.
-Kyle
Put it this way...if you were to somehow change the compression in the HV20 to AVCHD @ 24Mbps (outside of its current HDV) then you will notice a better looking picture than what it currently outputs. AVCHD is a much much more efficient codec than HDV. So, like Duke says, don't judge the codec based on the HMC150...that cams lower resolution sensors is already limiting the final piciture. I like the picture that cam makes...but it could be so much better (or sharper...if that's your thing) if it had a higher resolution sensor. Its soft-like image, IMO, helps to give it a more filmic look. But I personally want a cam that allows ME to control how soft the image gets in post production.
If AVCHD was not so difficult to edit I'd be all over it like white on rice. But...HDV is already difficult on its own.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
Okay, if you shoot weather map $hit then yeah, you oughta lock the camera down. I've shot run n' gun green screen.. run n' gun in a large studio space where tethered would be a problem. Ever heard of tracking points on a green screen? LOLTethered is NEVER a problem with green screen since by definition you are anchored to the screen.
Plus, why tether when an un-tethered solution is ready for you in form of highrate AVCHD?
Again, we're not comparing uncompressed HDMI to highrate AVCHD.. DOH!!!!
We're comparing HDV to highrate AVCHD
People in this thread seem to throw everything into the discussion only to say that AVCHD sucks. Whatever, I wanted to argue but I saw pretty early into the discussion that arguing is pointless.
agreed, and it really shows some people's ignorance.
Yes it really does. lol.
Last edited by spideralex90; 2008 November 17th at 13:16.
To all of the AVCHD supporters, i would like to point out that i still haven't seen any excellent footage posted here, which was the original post made by me at the start of this thread. Fishops posted a few links but the video was not that impressive. So I'm still waiting to be impressed. Beautiful footage is the best way to hook someone.
amazing low light performance
http://vimeo.com/1838192
green screen:
http://vimeo.com/1981122
forest showing lots of detail
http://vimeo.com/1934054
DV.com review
http://www.dv.com/reviews/reviews_it...leId=196604472 "By the way, it turns out the AVCHD footage looked better than our HDV footage, so we reduced the record quality to compensate. " I would trust their word over some teenager on an internet forum.
Last edited by booggerg; 2008 November 17th at 14:22.
I believe them. But the question I would ask is what was the HDV cam used? Was it an A1? Was it an old JVC HDV cam....who's picture is not worth much? Doesn't tell me much about the whole scenario.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
How is AVCHD overpriced? It's a codec, it doesn't cost anything to the end user.
avchd is a codec. Its the camera that makes the footage! How can you tell the difference of a codec when its been encoded for the internet?
for me , avchd is better than hdv/dv. it uses smaller blocks so that the artifacts arent as huge.
why bring up the topic of hmc150 when you cant afford it?\Anyhow theres also the issue of price, AVCHD is WAY overpriced. Overpriced enough to be a deal breaker really.
I would buy a $3500 cam and probably earn back the money from work. Thats the main argument i have on a camera.
you dont buy a $3500 camera for a hobby (unless your rich). thats what the hv20s are for.
boogerg: thats the green screen footage i was talking about. the raw files can be search at dvxuser somewhere.
Last edited by dcloud; 2008 November 18th at 01:12.
Yeah too many ppl who are just looking for a toy to play with. Some of us are talking serious business... the ones looking for a toy, their comments should be taken with a grain of salt.
http://www.vimeo.com/2193046
looks great @ 6mbps
its the final image that counts.
All the pros on DVXUser are on the HMC150 bandwagon. People who have used all say the highrate AVCHD is better than HDV. So who would you believe? no-name haters on hv20.com or established pros?
I'm saying the cameras that use AVCHD are generally more expensive than HDV cams. For instance the HMC-150 is an overpriced camera, $4000? Also the AVCHD Vixia camera (can't recall the model number) is about $100-200 more than the HV30 at bestbuy, it's a hundred now, but i've seen the HV30 for $700 there and the AVCHD one is $1000 now. I'm not saying you pay for the codec, wait, actually you do. The companies hype up new technology to impress people and make you buy it because it's new technology, so in a way you are paying for a codec.
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