Vimeo changed it's rules?

[JedEyeZ]

Yeah, unless we had Scarlet's and could upload 3k resolution with plus, then it's worth something.



-Kyle

No PC/Mac could even handle streaming that.

[PadawanGeek]

No PC/Mac could even handle streaming that.

And you'd have to have a pretty large screen to even play back full 3k

[Chow]

> higher quality is only for SD video.

Are you sure? Cause to me it sounded like they are doing a 2-pass on the HD video.

Lemme quote from the vimeo website..

The videos you upload will have priority conversion and your SD videos will be converted at higher quality. And you thought they looked good before!

To me that sounds only the SD conversion changes..

[JedEyeZ]

Lemme quote from the vimeo website..

The videos you upload will have priority conversion and your SD videos will be converted at higher quality. And you thought they looked good before!

To me that sounds only the SD conversion changes..

From Vimeo...

With Plus, all your videos are converted using 2-pass encoding. That means your videos looks cleaner while taking up the same amount of bandwidth.

[Kyleman]

No PC/Mac could even handle streaming that.

Oh well, pay $59.95 then they could easily get the servers capable of handing it....



-Kyle

[JedEyeZ]

Oh well, pay $59.95 then they could easily get the servers capable of handing it....



-Kyle

It is not the server, it is YOUR pc that could not handle that stream of data.

My core2duo cant even play (really choppy) back uncompressed 1080 footage which is less than 2k! And this is LOCAL not over broadband. So until everyone has an OC3 and Octo-Cores this will just not work.

[Kyleman]

My PC has no trouble playing full HD and higher. Plus, you talking about uncompressed, there is now way to upload uncompressed. But if you had it compressed then it would be completely fine for Vimeo.



-Kyle

[JedEyeZ]

My PC has no trouble playing full HD and higher. Plus, you talking about uncompressed, there is now way to upload uncompressed. But if you had it compressed then it would be completely fine for Vimeo.



-Kyle

Then it wouldnt be 3k! Vimeo only supports 720p. I can play full HD also, just not uncompressed. Cant expect much out of a C2D 2.0ghz with 2GB ram (laptop).

[PadawanGeek]

Then it wouldnt be 3k! Vimeo only supports 720p. I can play full HD also, just not uncompressed. Cant expect much out of a C2D 2.0ghz with 2GB ram (laptop).

If I'm not mistaken, he said "Full HD and higher" the "and higher" includes 3k

[JedEyeZ]

If I'm not mistaken, he said "Full HD and higher" the "and higher" includes 3k

I am talking about uploaded to vimeo.

[Rikki]

In my opinion, its dumb. There is no difference in the bandwith that vimeo is getting between if someone watches a video from the Vimeo page and if someone watches a video from an external page. If anything, less of Vimeo's bandwith is taken up because the whole Vimeo page doesn't have to be loaded in the case of an embed.

Yeah theres a massive difference in what you get, you really need to get your head round the bigger picture here.

If someone watches you HD vid on Vimeo's site they get adverts, Vimeo branding, links and everything else. Vimeo benefit from exposure, they might get ad clicks and you think "this vimeo thing looks interesting, Ill have a look around"

If its loaded off your website then it doesnt have any of that, Vimeo get no benefit and it therefor costs them money everytime someone plays the video.

[PadawanGeek]

Yeah theres a massive difference in what you get, you really need to get your head round the bigger picture here.

If someone watches you HD vid on Vimeo's site they get adverts, Vimeo branding, links and everything else. Vimeo benefit from exposure, they might get ad clicks and you think "this vimeo thing looks interesting, Ill have a look around"

If its loaded off your website then it doesnt have any of that, Vimeo get no benefit and it therefor costs them money everytime someone plays the video.

Is see what you mean, good point.

[Fatlip]

BAD BAD TURN VIEMO everyone in business knows you never remove a service or start to charge for something that used to be FREE and succeed. Youtube will soon be offering HD content from youtube.com. I predict the end of VIMEO.com with in 2 years tops. Great concept and clean UI, crap business model and change of terms.
More and more will just start self hosting or JOOST.

[PadawanGeek]

What do people think of Exposure Room? Is it good?

I know Philip Bloom uses it and I've been thinking of using it.

[threadhanger]

About the only thing I like about Vimeo is that you can download the original uncompressed file. Other than that I prefer Youtube. If a video is worth watching it's worth downloading, if possible.

[Rikki]

BAD BAD TURN VIEMO everyone in business knows you never remove a service or start to charge for something that used to be FREE and succeed. Youtube will soon be offering HD content from youtube.com. I predict the end of VIMEO.com with in 2 years tops. Great concept and clean UI, crap business model and change of terms.
More and more will just start self hosting or JOOST.

Ebay manage it quite nicely. YouTube still has a way to go, I dont think Vimeo are out of the game tho the lack of proper working stats and other things really are a pain

[Chow]

Business model is bad. And proven not to work in the past with other companies. Most ppl won't start to pay for something they were used to get free. So most ppl will look for other options and in a few months from now it will become more quite on vimeo.
In my humble opinion you should always keep the current services free like they were and add payed services that make sense. In that case you don't loose free members which are important for keeping the site alive.

The current extra's are not really spectacular enough to make a difference so they limited the free accounts. Not sure if that's wise. Better get some even more big improvements to vimeo+ accounts..

In my personal case I'm now setting up my personal "vimeo" on one of my servers to be able to upload whatever I want whenever I want.. I'll miss the communitypart but that will maybe solves itself in the future.

[threadhanger]

Couldn't one create multiple accounts on Vimeo to bypass there 1 HD clip per week limitation?

And does not downloading the source file give the best qualilty even after this 2-pass encoding for streaming?

[Kyleman]

Couldn't one create multiple accounts on Vimeo to bypass there 1 HD clip per week limitation?

And does not downloading the source file give the best qualilty even after this 2-pass encoding for streaming?

I think when you download the file your downloading the same file that was exported.

[net]

It seems it could be profitable to keep the current model and insert ads all over the place.
I wonder, because I don't actually know, if Vimeo is in a dilemma because Google/Doubleclick is the go-to for ads, but Vimeo is their competition for YouTube...

[PadawanGeek]

Maybe we should boycott Vimeo... Then they would lose ad revenue.

Everyone, run to Exposure Room!!!

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

While I don't mind ads on the pages, I mind ads on the video itself. Vimeo has a lot of artsy videos, sometimes of well known directors too, and having a detergent ad before their video just won't cut it. While such video ads are tolerable on youtube or revver and elsewhere, Vimeo just isn't that kind of place.

Personally, I prefer Vimeo's look and feel over Exposure Room or MotionBox, both which support HD.

[Reid Welch]

This is not a sour grapes posting against Vimeo.
I loved Vimeo and still do, despite that their mod squad recently wiped away my perfecty legal account:
http://www.vimeo.com/user518559/vide.../format:detail
(now, today, they have even erased my name. It is a grudge match for them.

I am not anti Vimeo

My story, true, in brief:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB4kkihIkYc

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Vimeo offers HD that YT, at present, does not offer.
But YT is my home for good now for these reasons:

YT does not kill legitimate accounts.
At YT I am:

Hartford Tommy
itsnotmuch
pandolin 1
Poet Reid
MissOgeny (commentary only, I don't hate women, btw)
ampdavolts
VimeoiSin
and maybe a couple of other perfectly legal, allowed accounts.

YT compresses too much at this time. It does not offer any sort of "HD" to equal what Vimeo offers.

YT lately has increased its upload limit: Unlimited uploads of up to 1 gig files, no limit per week. No charge. BUT they do compress, compress the heck out of the uploads.

YT is owned by deep-pockets Google. I am curious to learn if, whether or when,
YT will decide to offer Vimeo-type quality, because I can never go back to Vimeo now;
for I am banned from that site.

I never raised trouble at Vimeo. I was a good little boy, though once, when I was very new and green, I crossed swords, stupidly, with Eugenia: master of all things video-uploadable/editable.

I find that at YT at present, my use of the Canon HV30 is hamstrung by YTs lack of even 720 P sizing. Their 15fps system seems no real drawback; it's the darned compression that "spoils" YT for me.

Q: How long do you folks suppose it wil be before YT "clones" or gets "even" with Vimeo quality? I suspicion that this upgrade will come pretty soon, and then Vimeo will suffer loss of patronage.

Vimeo will always be the gold standard for free, small-community, back-patting artists (like i was there) who like a family-small arena by which to display their original art to sensitive artists, without fear or trouble from illiterate spammers and trollers who plague YT.

Another, and most important to me aspect of YT, as poor as its definition may be:
my unique videos get SEEN by thousands, even videos of the most rare and arcane nature, such as:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkLyhUCIJW0
(the first mains-powered small electric motor, the very first appliance motor


OR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPQfRLlz4B0
(giant bufo toad eats cat.... a video where nothing really happens: 41,000 views
and it was done with a cheap digicam and Windows Movie Maker, a year ago.

POINT: Vimeo is GREAT. But, by my experience (getting knocked off without so much as a word of warning) make me allergic to such a site that offers great quality, but no security to an artist installing, painfully slowly in low-speed dsl, large file, for veiws that seldom, there, get seen by even one hundred viewers.

Prediction: YT will wise up fast and will soon enough buy out or otherwise render Vimeo virtually obsolete.

This is NOT what I want to happen. I only sense that it will happen.
And Vimeo may erase my work. Youtube will not do that. And so forth:
YT may well be the Vimeo-sort-of of the future. And they won't kill sensitive artists.

All my best HD videos were at Vimeo. Now I have nothing there. All because I CAPPED a few words in an exasperated posting wherein I complained about their buggy view counter.

This video,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB4kkihIkYc
repeated link from above, simply tells one man's story, without malice,
about AUTOCRATIC (ah reid, don't shout! they will ban you!) ill-tempered moderation at Vimeo;

the Vimeo I would love to love, but won't even let me into the back door to set things aright.

Am I a "volatile person" ; "The customer is not always right"; we don't appreciate "vague blackmailers" = all charges made against me by key Vimeo moderators.

I am not ashamed, but honored, to tell MY true story of why I am so let down by Vimeo.
They could have it all, but hell, even if my account were to be reinstated: I could never see going back there;

unsafe at any speed. Too much work to upload there at risk of losing it all tomorrow if they should bankrupt, or go commercial and charge this penniless, disabled, former user, some sort of user fee.

Closure: I love Vimeo. I do not respect Vimeo management; the three mods there who ruined my self security. One bitten, thrice shy.

So it's YT and low res for me, for the forseeable future.

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please pardon any typos above. I have not proof read this gentle "rant".
In fact, it is no rant at all, only the truth as seen by one sorrowed loser.

[Reid Welch]

All such postings, made to the YT community "help and suggestions" forum will be pre-screened before being put before the public.

The post in quote below, which references THE posting above, will surely be read by YT staff.
It may or may not be seen, ever, by the public. But I will share the just-submitted text with you all here. I have copied and saved the post above for sending to YT staff, should it for any (inexplicable) reason, be removed from HV20. That won't happen, but nowadays, I take no forum security for granted.

QUOTE, unproofed, of notice just sent in to the YT help and suggestions forum.
I expect nothing but some privately held meeting discussion of that post and this response, over at YT. I do not expect they will actually issue my posting to the public,

but one never knows, does one? No matter. Here it is as submitted, blind eyes and dyslexic typos intact:

I Am the author and I am a Vimeo "victim"

I hope for the best for Vimeo.

I hope even more for YT to render Vimeo virtually redundant

My story:
http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?p=144224#post144224

I am not bitter. I am only wary and wish to alert YT and Vimeo users of Predictions of Things to Come.

Btw, late, great muckracker, Drew Pearson is my first cousin, two generations removed. Perhaps some personality traits, such as disdain for autocrats at Vimeo, are inherited? I don't know. I only know that Vimeo did not treat me fairly, and YT does more than fair deal: they are liberal and free and have done more in two years to change the face and to knit the entire world into harmony, than any other single aspect of the internet. Pardon please, my shout:

PLEASE, YT staff, see my story and make plans or reactions as you see best.
The future is here already. Already you have liberalized file size uploads to one gig max per item.
That is some pretty fine PRO BONO gesture, right there.

Thank you for looking over my HV20 thread, and at my VimeiSin single video of abridged truth, 1 minute and 20 seconds of time to see what happened to me at Vimeo.

I am not a meanie nor do I "hate" Vimeo, not at all.

thanks,
Reid Welch

Post script: I looked at my Gadwin Screenshots just now. Just yesterday, even, this is what you'd see
if you went to my old, now disemboweled Vimeo account:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...enShot2187.jpg

And today? I am reduced yet again, now I am only an apostophe S, new screenshot:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...enShot2230.jpg

And, gee, I don't dislike Vimeo at all. I wonder why they don't like me? It seems all so wrong,
but hey, I am too close to claim a full perspective. I've shown and said my piece.

Thanks, all, for your patience,

Reid Welch

[Chow]

Can we look forward to another great novell?? I didn't even finish this one yet http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=16917